Hallow Man

[Redink]

The guys hacking, all he cares about is gaining as many points as possible and even then if he is assuming he will get caught then all he really cares about is causing as much bother as possible before he finally gets caught and booted. Do you seriously think he cares about weather the side he is playing for wins or not? Better yet if it takes 3 squads of men to have to go in three different directions just to take this one guy down then he's done exactly what he set out to do. He's become the sole focus of your attention and disrupted your game.

The only way you EVER win with hackers is to find them and boot them out of the server talking game tactics and doing game tactics will never make you a winner against a hacker.

That's exactly my thoughts... Elfipso thinks it's so easy that everyone will just fall into order and know what they should be doing, but it's not even like that.
Besides the topic isn't even about how to beat a hacker... it's how to catch a hacker like this one with no name. So Elfipso shouldn't even be saying how the team deserved to get raped because no one was coordinated in a "pub" game agasint a hacker.
And I apologize if it seemed like a flame

^^Because if you do something for your team, then you might actually win. Ever thought about that?

Haha I thought about that many many times and all it gives me is a bad K/D, a loss and no gold star.

[waaah_wah]

Who cares about KDR and a gold star? God i hate statswhores

[Wizrdwarts]

Try pb_Plist in the console. Punkbuster should give a list of all the people in the server.

[Chris_Redfield]

Hilarious.

Teamwork against hackers? This isnt a tight knit close quarters combat game where you can box someone in and grenade them to death. You forget that the hacker has probably a WALLHACK so he can observe your every move. He has an AIMBOT to mow you down in an instant so that flanking is out of the question.

Teamwork? You approach the guy with nades blazing and he knows he can back off. The second you show your face, youre dead, which means that even if you cap ALL the flags, the one flag hes at, youll never cap.

So even if you push the bleed at his team, every time you make a move at him, you will be killed and thats an instant -1 ticket. Hes going to see if a medic will come in for revives and thats another instant kill for him.

Notice his kill score. Thats ~30% of the tickets taken by him and him alone. That means that every 3rd kill made by his team, was made by him. If he chooses to make a move for any flags you capped, hes going to be able to take it even if you have 6 guys. The only way hes going to die, is if he runs out of ammo and needs to reload, which would be just a dream if the guy is using a support kit. Distance doesnt matter to him. You cant outgun him and he will be able to evade all your grenades.

Teamwork? Get back on the ground please. Its like trying to tell people you can kill a tank by throwing medpacks at it and calling it teamwork...

You can take on a hacker if youre a damn farking good sniper. Watch Wookie videos.

I love SWAT4 for the reason that if someone gets caught with hacks, and theres no admin present, the whole server usually instantly turns vigilante on him and catches him with grenades. But in that game, nades have a fair radius and dont kill, but basiclly disable your use of weapons (stun/flash/gas), so people use those seconds to take out their tazers and taze the hacker until he leaves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03kFDlgoluM

Kidnapping at its finest.

[ElFipso]

The guys hacking, all he cares about is gaining as many points as possible and even then if he is assuming he will get caught then all he really cares about is causing as much bother as possible before he finally gets caught and booted. Do you seriously think he cares about weather the side he is playing for wins or not? Better yet if it takes 3 squads of men to have to go in three different directions just to take this one guy down then he's done exactly what he set out to do. He's become the sole focus of your attention and disrupted your game.

The only way you EVER win with hackers is to find them and boot them out of the server talking game tactics and doing game tactics will never make you a winner against a hacker.

First of all the hacker is always a looser, even without playing.

Second: I didn't say that three squads should go after the hacker (where do you guys always read stuff ppl haven't said?). I said 3 squads going different paths will get a flag (flag not hacker). The hacker may kill one squad because he'S such a leet downloader but at least one squad can make to get a flag. So the fronts will split up and you'll have a different game.
And I don't think that hackers disrupt the game that much. Ppl that disrupt the game are players that do not focus on winning the round.

You'll learn about tactics one day, when you find that there are other flags than hotel

FipZ

[Chris_Redfield]

Second: I didn't say that three squads should go after the hacker (where do you guys always read stuff ppl haven't said?). I said 3 squads going different paths will get a flag (flag not hacker). The hacker may kill one squad because he'S such a leet downloader but at least one squad can make to get a flag. So the fronts will split up and you'll have a different game.
And I don't think that hackers disrupt the game that much. Ppl that disrupt the game are players that do not focus on winning the round.

Again, it doesnt matter the least. In cases where hacker sucks donkeyballs, you can probably nade the guy to dead if you charge him with 18 people. But have you ever thought that coordinating 18 people to attack a hacker, which is just a blip on POSSIBLE UAV screening? Its nigh impossible. And if the hacker is skilled in the game (yes, there are hackers who actually know how to play), youll stand no chance anyway. Sure you can throw grenades at where you think he is. But he can take out a squad in a second, and he knows PRECISELY where to throw the grenades to defend the flag.

And again, you may go capture other flags, but the game is still about tickets only, and if the teams are otherwise balanced, you may create a balance of skill with the opposition, but hacker tips that balance. Well, tipping isnt the right word... Imagine an Abrams tank being thrown at the precision scales.

You'll learn about tactics one day, when you find that there are other flags than hotel

LOL... a dreamer and a theoretician teaching "tactics"... Amusing.

[DesertFalcon]

Mmmm, I'm getting a raging clue.

My clue is pointing that way...

rofl!

[waaah_wah]

I think that Chris has problems with understanding text...

[Chris_Redfield]

I think that Chris has problems with understanding text...

I think that youre once again proving that you cant let go of sucking my bells.

If a hacker is at the flag, and Hotel flag was currently under discussion, it wont matter because a hacker not only has a minimap hack, but wallhack to boot. You wont get past him, you wont reach the flag and you will still have to fight him one way or another.

You show severe lack in actually knowing how to read as its painfull obvious that you read only the first paragaph of my post. Go back 2 steps, stab yourself in the knee and proceed with sucking.

[waaah_wah]

My point is that ElFlipso never said that squads should go after the hacker, and yet you are talking about how he is wrong and how impossible it is to kill one.

Other than that i agree. If the guy has a no fog hack and an aimbot, he will be able to kill you from Hotel no matter where you go. I've been killed by a hacker while i was on the Suburb flag and he was on the USMC hill, south of Hotel. So even if your whole team is cooperating (Wont happend in BF2) you will still loose the round.

[Chris_Redfield]

My point is that ElFlipso never said that squads should go after the hacker, and yet you are talking about how he is wrong and how impossible it is to kill one.

The topic at hand is the Hotel flag and hacker at the flag. You cant make a flanking maneuver to get to the flag without going through the hacker, and if there indeed is a risk of a squad going from behind, a hacker can take the whole squad out with just a couple of nades.

Other than that i agree. If the guy has a no fog hack and an aimbot, he will be able to kill you from Hotel no matter where you go. I've been killed by a hacker while i was on the Suburb flag and he was on the USMC hill, south of Hotel. So even if your whole team is cooperating (Wont happend in BF2) you will still loose the round.

Bingo, and the only real balancer would be an armor piece. Which is why hackers love IO.

[waaah_wah]

The topic at hand is the Hotel flag and hacker at the flag. You cant make a flanking maneuver to get to the flag without going through the hacker, and if there indeed is a risk of a squad going from behind, a hacker can take the whole squad out with just a couple of nades.

Again... ElFlipso didnt say that you should flank and take Hotel but go around the flag and get other flags behind it. Why oh why cant ppl read...

[Chris_Redfield]

Again... ElFlipso didnt say that you should flank and take Hotel but go around the flag and get other flags behind it. Why oh why cant ppl read...

Read the quotes. Why oh why cant people understand simple logic.

Second: I didn't say that three squads should go after the hacker (where do you guys always read stuff ppl haven't said?). I said 3 squads going different paths will get a flag (flag not hacker).

If your team isn't smart enough to flank the Hotel or just ignore that flag, you're lost.

ElFlipso also mentioned some utopian coordination maneuver to get 3 squad move to 3 flags simultaneously and/or flanking the Hotel and using 3 squad to move at Hotel from 3 directions.

You actually mentioned a chance of winning.

I said you cant flank Hotel and even if you cap other flags and push the bleed over, the hacker has taken 30% of all of the tickets.

Do you honestly believe that you can win in such a game? Every odd there is, its against you. Youd need a Wookie, an admin or a miracle (hackers mom calling the hacker for the dinner).

[waaah_wah]

You can win (well not really)... But for that his team must be 100% useless and your team must contain ppl with 1000 playhours and they should be on VT/TS/VOIP. And even then it would be tought as hell to win

[Redink]

I agree with Chris, it doesn't matter what tactics you use or flags you got he will still take down at least 70% of your ticket by himself. I have seen Mec win in Karkand with only 1 flag left, so it doesn't matter how many flags you have as long as they are still out killing your team.

and your team must contain ppl with 1000 playhours and they should be on VT/TS/VOIP. And even then it would be tought as hell to win

It's so hard to find a good sqaud... what makes you think finding a good "team" is easier?

Do you honestly believe that you can win in such a game? Every odd there is, its against you. Youd need a Wookie, an admin or a miracle (hackers mom calling the hacker for the dinner).

LOL, I can already imagine it... "Ok mom! I'm comming... (you guys got lucky this time)"

I said 3 squads going different paths will get a flag (flag not hacker).

You also claimed that going around the hacker to get flags will win it for you and your team ... False.

You'll learn about tactics one day, when you find that there are other flags than hotel

You'll learn about tactics one day, when I load up hacks and kill you at every spawn point you spawn, tactic yourself out of that one.

Who cares about KDR and a gold star? God i hate statswhores

People often say they play only for fun... Can't I play for all three? Having fun, improving myself and seeing results?