BF2 at world Cyber Games VOTE!!!

[Monkmonkman]

Re: BF2 at world Cyber Games VOTE!!!

BF2 was never cut out to be a competitve game. You could have dogfights lasting tens and tens of minutes (which is great in pubs, but awful in matches), total explotation of hitboxes and total overuse of change in stances (which is fine by me personally, but competition wise its stupid).

Again, looks like you have never played in a scrim. When where there dogfights in matches? unless your playing operation crap sweep, there is no jets in matches. The other 2 have been fixed in patches.

And youre saying what? That BFpro would be the game played at WGC? Comeon. I love BF2 but lets be real here, CAL doesnt play it because its that awesome, CAL/CPL plays it because theres nothing else at the moment.

Yes and no, It may not be the most competitive game in the world, but it is till very competitive(especially with pro). There are so many strats for every map, its ridiculous, and keeps the game alive. Also, many new custom maps have been added in, that keeps the competition nice and fresh.

If you break it down...

Helo's - Take much skill to keep up in air, there is no forgiveness, and one of the most skilled parts of this game.
Tank - just like above, there are pixel shots, and no "forgiveness", unlike in 2142, where tanks have zoom, and they hold your hand.
Commander - have to know when arty is coming, when to arty helo pad, spot spamming, etc. again, no "noob friendliness" about it.
Infantry- The only exception, due to cone of fire, etc. BFpro fixes this.

So all aspects of the game are very skill biased, combine that with the conquest game mode, make competition great. In BF2, its more about strats+teamwork than about individual player skills (but still plays a big part)

I know when they made the game, there were not like "Lets make this game be the main show at CPL" etc, but they defiantly had competition in mind When making the game, especially with the balance of the 16 player maps.

Edit: sorry if this is all jiberish

[TMB]

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And youre saying what? That BFpro would be the game played at WGC? Comeon. I love BF2 but lets be real here, CAL doesnt play it because its that awesome, CAL/CPL plays it because theres nothing else at the moment.

CAL is the Cyberathlete Amateur League, not the BF2 competition league. There are a ton of games played in CAL...

America's Army
Battlefield
Battle for Middle Earth 2
Call of Duty 2
Company of Heroes
Counter-Strike 1.6
Counter-Strike: Condition Zero
Counter-Strike: Source
Dawn of War
Day of Defeat: Source
Gears of War
Half-Life 2 Deathmatch
Halo 2
Madden 2007
Quake
Starcraft: Broodwar
Unreal tournament 2004
Warcraft III
Warsow

Older games are phased out as newer, more popular games come in, when the next wave of games hit, bf2 will take a hit for sure if they don't suck. Seeing as how you don't compete in it, you are far from qualified to even assume you know anything about why it is, or is not competitive. CGi didn't pop off tens of thousands of dollars in a game that ****s up in LAN liek it does on line simply because "there is nothing better". If you have problems in LAN like most do online, find a better LAN center.


btw Monkmonkman, good game tonight :)

[LuckySeven]

Re: BF2 at world Cyber Games VOTE!!!

Unlike many other games, BF is rather difficult for tactics on high level, and it actually has more dimensions than any other popular FPS. A good clan needs a good expert in all major segments, heli, tank, commander, infantry... And making them all work together makes this game very interesting. Even though basic idea is very straightforward.

And I don't understand your point on CTDs. I can't remember when I last had a CTD. I do have had problems and setting up takes some time and effort but after that it's working fool proof and rock stable. Actually CS:S and HL2DM have way more CTDs than BF2 has. For some reason BF has more connection losts though, but they only take a couple of seconds and game can be easily paused.

[Monkmonkman]

Re: BF2 at world Cyber Games VOTE!!!

btw Monkmonkman, good game tonight :)

Yea, that was great :)

BTW. whats your xfire?

[Chris_Redfield]

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Again, looks like you have never played in a scrim. When where there dogfights in matches? unless your playing operation crap sweep, there is no jets in matches. The other 2 have been fixed in patches.

Silly me, and I thought there used to be 12 vs 12 matches?

See? "used to be"

And you missed the point, which is becoming a bad habbit now. The game was never cut to be a competitive game, patching is a direct proof of that. Youve said it yourself many times, BF2 has been patched to appease newbies.

Yes and no, It may not be the most competitive game in the world, but it is till very competitive(especially with pro). There are so many strats for every map, its ridiculous, and keeps the game alive. Also, many new custom maps have been added in, that keeps the competition nice and fresh.

The things you listed here are in every game. Strats, competitive behaviour and whatnot, and custom maps. Youre trying to prove me that BF2 is perfect for competition where Im telling you its not. Its just the only available game there is right now, with an exception of BF2142. And they both arent the top of competitive games. Quake Wars on the other hand is at least partially developed for competition. And I suspect that game will overtake BF2.

Helo's - Take much skill to keep up in air, there is no forgiveness, and one of the most skilled parts of this game.
Tank - just like above, there are pixel shots, and no "forgiveness", unlike in 2142, where tanks have zoom, and they hold your hand.
Commander - have to know when arty is coming, when to arty helo pad, spot spamming, etc. again, no "noob friendliness" about it.
Infantry- The only exception, due to cone of fire, etc. BFpro fixes this.

Man, I could list up similar list in any other game, which wouldnt be the point. Every game that has been on CAL has had its own reasons why they were great for competition.

quote=Touch my balls]Older games are phased out as newer, more popular games come in, when the next wave of games hit, bf2 will take a hit for sure if they don't suck. Seeing as how you don't compete in it, you are far from qualified to even assume you know anything about why it is, or is not competitive.[/quote]

True, I dont compete in CAL, but I dare you to throw me a name of a game that would compete with BF2 for the "vehicular team based FPS" competitional game, that is out now? There isnt any, which is exactly my point. BF2 isnt played in competition because its that damn good. Its played because it is dominating the market, and currently provides the best balance between arcadey gameplay and reasonable limitations. But that "best" is far from impressive, because its basically alone. If QW is what its being promised to be, its instantly going to take BF2s role.

CGi didn't pop off tens of thousands of dollars in a game that ****s up in LAN liek it does on line simply because "there is nothing better".

They wouldnt, if they had an alternative.

And LuckySeven, I find your statement that CSS has more CTDs than BF2 rather laughable.

[Monkmonkman]

Re: BF2 at world Cyber Games VOTE!!!

Thats because 2142 licks the ****.

[LuckySeven]

Re: BF2 at world Cyber Games VOTE!!!

And LuckySeven, I find your statement that CSS has more CTDs than BF2 rather laughable.

Well, last CTD was today, it was HL2DM, yesterday CS:S crashed once. Still I can't remember when BF2 would have crashed, apart from moddin and developing. And I can't really understand why people blame CTDs and everything. This game runs very well. So please, in what kind of situations do the CTDs happen then? While joining a game? Well, there's a fix for that, besides it won't affect competitive play the smallest bit.

[TMB]

Re: BF2 at world Cyber Games VOTE!!!

I've CTD'ed three times since 1.41, I've had Dragons Lair CTD more than that in the last week.

I dare you to throw me a name of a game that would compete with BF2 for the "vehicular team based FPS" competitional game, that is out now?

There isn't one, because the others pretty much suck. But a game doesn't have to be team based vehicular game to be considered competitive, so there's really no point in it even being brought up. Lots of people are just biding their time till ETQW comes out, but if it sucks, and doesn't play well competitively, it will be short lived in that area, if it does than it will probably take over, or maybe Frontlines of War will, who knows.

[markan dorka]

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you'll cave in eventually :)

Had plenty of them all in LAN environment aswell.

Markan Dorka, you again missed the point, first of all "it still runs" isnt good enough, if theres an abnormall high chance of a such lame thing as CTD, secondly, it just isnt made for competitive game.

Less crashes is always nice and something to devs to strive for, but BF2 still isn't all that bad. I've had more crashes in CS and DoD *matches alone*, than total CTDs in BF2 (server crashes excluded, 1.3 made sure no game can top that).

The thing is, if you take stability as measure whether game is playable in competitions, you don't get all that many games to play at all. This is just something that happens when clients can run billions of software/hardware configurations, and games are beginning to have line of code amounts comparable to an average space program.

And StarCraft is chosen to be played at WGC not because its played a lot, but because it is the most skill demanding RTS next to WC3.

This is something I can't argue with, since I don't know why it was first chosen to WCG - I agree with skill requirements in that game, but it also does have a huge following.

Thing with player numbers is - if you don't have them, you don't have competition. Obvious reason is that it becomes really hard to form teams to just play each other, get enough teams to form a competition, or get enough teams to compete in LAN. Game just isn't competitive, if you don't get a competition in it.

The less obvious reason is that large competition (say, WCG / CPL) is business, and their #1 priority is to make money, and their best interests are to support games that attract players that buy stuff. Sure, if a game requires skill, it might get a better following and better reputation, but the player numbers are the definite #1, and come first. Any entrepreneur will take lots of customers over skilled customers :)

And this topic isnt really debatable either because the best vehicular based team game thats made for competitive play is almost out already, called QW.

I really do hope QW kicks ***, but you can't quite compete in it yet

[eddyeddyd]

Re: BF2 at world Cyber Games VOTE!!!

bf2 FTW

[triten82]

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...CPL???

That reminds me, I went to the 06 winter CPL for the BYOC part of it and played with some of the bf2 teams there on the pub servers. Lan is definitely different. I was able to lay down more shots and Get more kills. I would love to go to a bf2 tournament, just being there for the BYOC was fun enough. The hotel was awesome aswell, it was the hyatt in dallas TX (not the airport one).

[imported_Predator]

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Yeah, I agree. I would think they should showcase raw skill and BF2 has so many variables it is hard to just mark it as a true competition game. I dont think that is a sad thing for BF2, because it is fun on its own merits, but it is not in the realm of games like UT, Halo, Quake...these are all excellent games that are uniform enough to show player talent.

That is somewhat true, but competitive bf2 is now played on bfpro which makes the guns much more accurate and thus is a much more skillfull game. The mod is only 23mb on the cal site. Download it and try pubbing it sometime.