which chopper is the best!? your opinion?

[Sloi sauce]

Re: which chopper is the best!? your opinion?

I don't recall directly stating or implying a godlike ability at the game, AnotherEd: I just have extensive experience in several helicopter-related aspects of the game, and nothing irks me more than falsities being passed off and accepted as valid when I and others know otherwise.

You can keep attacking me if such is your desire, but it won't alter the reality of the situation: I'm right and no amount of fingerpointing, accusations of arrogance along with e-penis references and/or ad hominems will change that. I really wish my 400-word post had not went down the pooper, because it very thoroughly explained everything.

I'll take my leave now, as I suspect this is lost time... and your opinion of me, unlikely to change.

PS. As an INTJ, I don't generally expound on established knowledge: I get to the point because I've already personally weighed all the aspects. The details are irrelevent to me once everything is said and done. That someone fails to explicitly mention every little detail in no way means he has ignored them prior to posting... though it's often the case, you won't get that from me.

[AnotherEd]

Re: which chopper is the best!? your opinion?

ROFL "INTJ"... A/S/L? LOL!!! thanks for sharing your innermost thoughts about your personality profile... i really could care less, i still don't want to date you.

and yes, you have lost time here, my opinion of you is much like your opinion of you, unchanging.

i only spent the minutes on this because Chris, for some reason, thinks you aren't the chump you are. and since i respect Chris, i'm motivated to respond mostly for his benefit/consideration.

http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1332932#post1332932

--An AH1Z is the best choice in all situations and expounding on the reasons would be wasted time...
.."wasted time?" are we that ignorant that explaining such upper level reasoning would not allow our feeble brains to process it?

http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1332615#post1332615

--Good to know at least a portion of the posting population has some idea what they're talking about.
..yes, because it's hard having to read all of our simpleton responses, no?

http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1330203#post1330203

--I'm so sick of having my streaks ruined because of idiot jet pilots who feel the need to make love with my heli. Jesus, you guys are worst than noob gunners and pilots in my chopper.
this whole thread was arrogance at it's finest. seriously, you are NOT your kill streak.

http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1330104#post1330104

--I absolutely agree. That's why running around and firing a rifle takes so much more skill than learning to balance flight and weapons systems. Finally, those poor, misunderstood ground units get our acknowledgement...
(that's you being sarcastic in case you can't tell)
..mmm, yes, your game is so much more complicated, you must be a genius in order to have figured it out. those ground units don't have to know sh!t. weapon nuances, situational awareness, coordinating with squad members... all that stuff is just so ridiculously easy it's silly anyone complains about having to learn anything on the ground, we are born with it all aren't we?

http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1329882#post1329882

--Yeah, ok... I can recognize a lost cause when I see it. Bye now.
..ruhoh, someone disagreed with you. the nerve! better tell him off with an "ad hominem" attack quickly.

http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1329871#post1329871

--No, it's not a Coke versus Pepsi argument, as hundreds of hours of experience by several of the game's best clearly demonstrate.
..yes, your experience VASTLY outweighs anyone elses. therefore you must always be right.

http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1329827#post1329827

--the reason so many people prefer the havoc is because it's noob friendly. It's a horrible choice even with that cannon... I won't touch it unless I have too.
..*GASP* what a horribly plebian way to fly in that pathetic "noob friendly" Havoc. it's SO beneath your skill level isn't it?

http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1329647#post1329647

--Uh... AH1Z Cobra. Anyone telling you differently has limited experience
..again, anyone that disagrees must be malfunctioning on some level and/or just a complete "noob"

http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1329034#post1329034

--What ends up happening is all of your pilots get tired of having to fly people around and seeing the points go to the gunner (plus, it's ..hard work), so they just learn to solo and never look back. If more people decided to learn the trade, you'd see a lot more cooperation in helis.
sorry to suck gunning for you so bad, Sloi. boy we really PUSHED you into soloing, eh? all of us morons and our inferior gunning abilities.

http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1327427#post1327427

--Holy sh*t did I ever do a lot of stupid things in the name of experimentation! I can't even begin to describe the stuff I did... just ..know that observers must've been soiling themselves.
WOW! even when you suck, you amaze people to no ends! you simply are just THAT good, no!?

http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1326473#post1326473

--I don't see a point in nerfing it again, though: if the heli team is good, tough luck mr. infantryman... you'll just have to accept your fate. It takes talent to fly one properly, so why punish the people who've taken the time to learn and master the skill?
..wow, yeah, screw the other people playing the game... you learned how to fly a heli which requires 6 months training and a written test to get your pilot's license... oh wait no it doesn't. but regardless, those infantry shouldn't have a choice about how they die when you get in the air, they should just accept their fate and learn to die for your greatness. they shouldn't have any ability to kill you equally as easy at ALL! after all YOU ARE A GOD!


okay, i got bored of reading every other one of Sloi's posts. i stopped paying attention to them for a reason, and the above is why. i barely even made it down the 2nd page of search results.

honestly, you are "that guy" on the forums that simply MUST be heard because he is SO amazing at the game. in a way you are almost like FashionButcher in this aspect of needing public awareness of your greatness. as with him, so it is with you, boring...

[Sloi sauce]

Re: which chopper is the best!? your opinion?

Wow, it's sad that you would actually bother going through my post history to try and prove a point. You're worst than I am. :laugh:

You're correct though, I go to great lengths to try and make people understand this aspect of the game and in doing so, come off as being arrogant and adamant. In the end, I don't give a sh*t what you think: I'll keep spreading the good word and help people along the way. If you're so disgusted by my attitude, just stay the f*ck out then.

You and I just need to play a few rounds together and we'll all be buddies again. How about it?

[Chodda]

Re: which chopper is the best!? your opinion?

Lol Ed is the most random person ever. I didn't even knew he existed until those bad post above^ ;D

I know all of the top gunners in this game basically... Ed isn't one of them.

[gunitsoldier127]

Re: which chopper is the best!? your opinion?

Apache and z-10 are pretty much equal, MI-28 is an easy traget by everything, very slow, very big, very easy to TV missle. Any good Helicopter pilot/gunner will tell you same.

excuse my friend for his noobness. hes turk. the mi-28 is a very VERY agile helicopter. even if its fat, its more manouverble than the other choppers. but the thing with mi-28 is that its gun is very powerful and its tv camera is aimed very low. so basicly this chopper is more for ground pounding than air to air. the cobra is the slimest, smallest chopper of them all. but its agility doesnt surpasse none. the z10- how ever, is fast, reasonable sized( middle of the 3) and is more agile then the cobra. witch makes it the best chopper. if u dont believe me when i say that the havoc is the best in manouverbility,sit in one, change view to hud only. and ull see wat i mean. for the cobra, even though it looks very small, its pitch, steer,roll's response is way slower than the z-10s.

[YoDiddy]

Re: which chopper is the best!? your opinion?

Lol Ed is the most random person ever. I didn't even knew he existed until those bad post above^ ;D

I know all of the top gunners in this game basically... Ed isn't one of them.

what about me, did you know i existed?!??!?!?!?!?!

[Chodda]

Re: which chopper is the best!? your opinion?

Ed

yur bad

[.Churr.]

Re: which chopper is the best!? your opinion?

AH-1Z is the best chopper for A2A and that is everything. It easily outmaneuvers the Z-10 and the Mi-28, and it is thinner and is apparently made of some material that makes most of the missiles go through it.

Having the enemy chopper grounded, you can keep it grounded for a long while...

Sharqi is actually the only one map where the Mi-28 is a little better, but only if the USMC team sucks really bad. I'd estimate that 90% of the times when I manage to get the AH-1Z alone or with a decent pilot/gunner in Sharqi, we will totally dominate the map.

My usual scores for gunning the AH-1Z are 30-50 : 0-2 in Sharqi. Which is plenty of damage if you ask me.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: which chopper is the best!? your opinion?

Here we go. Im not saying your experience is false. Yes, if you win a ATA fight with the chopper and keep the opposition grounded, you can do damage. Yes, Cobra outplays Havoc in ATA.

But for a serious jet pilot, who will take YOU down, no matter what you do, and thus keeps Havoc free, you can not deny that the game is lost for your team. And in this scenario (rare in public plays), Havoc will win the game for the team, even though the Cobra might not.

As many toys in BF2, public servers rarely show their real potential.

For you, pub allstars (LOL, dont start with me, Im one too), the game is simple. Down Havoc in ATA, keep it grounded and go do some damage. The main mission is to win ATA. But what if that job is taken care of for you? What if you didnt have to worry about ATA? Clearly Havoc comes first in ATS damage.

Again, underlining my experience. There is no chopper in game that can drive USMC forces off in less than 4 minutes. Except for Havoc.

[Chodda]

Re: which chopper is the best!? your opinion?

In any sort of 8v8 match, the chopper is the main player. If your team looses the first chopper duel then its going to be a very very very rough round.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: which chopper is the best!? your opinion?

In any sort of 8v8 match, the chopper is the main player. If your team looses the first chopper duel then its going to be a very very very rough round.

But you dont really get no jets in 8 vs 8, now do you? And yes, since the chopper in 16p maps is the top of the food chain, its ATA strenghts mean everything. Not saying they dont. But thats just one (arguably most appearing) scenario, isnt it?

[Chodda]

Re: which chopper is the best!? your opinion?

All 8v8's are on 16 player maps. Back before they messed with the missile distance, you use to be able to pull up on Daqing and fire the first shot off, taking out the enemy chopper. They changed it though so now it is actually a battle. Most of the time if you have good chopper crews up against each other, both hang back and take it easy. Let the commander do the spotting. It also depends on the map. AA placements and such.... moveable ones especially. If your chopper goes down early then you still have a chance but you need to recover quick or you'll loose all your armor and all of your charges will come to a failing hault. And ofcourse if the other team is good you probably have a slim chance of getting up. Depends on if their commander as arty available to set on the pad to keep it down or if the other chopper is up to keep you down. It's just so much, you gotta know the respawn times and if your the commander you have to be thinking ahead as to where to use the arty etc etc it's all fast paced thinking and being able to make the right moves... I only just touched the surface :P

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: which chopper is the best!? your opinion?

Yah, Ive seen sh!tload of 8v8 clan games to understand that chopper is the main tool in the game, and a lot of the game revolves around enemy chopper and what to do about it. Never had a clan match in BF2 yet, so my gaming experience in such situation is negligible. Ive had a lot of pub games with friends who fly and take care of superior choppers/pilots down for me, so teamwork aspect to overcome chopper ATA capabilities isnt unknown for me.

Say, why did you drop competitive game, Chodda?

[Sloi sauce]

Re: which chopper is the best!? your opinion?

I didn't think he dropped it. There are just so many places to play competitively now that one doesn't know in which direction to thrust... errr, throttle in, so to speak. :laugh:

[BlazinAngel-51]

Re: which chopper is the best!? your opinion?

my opinion is "apache longbow" its easy to controll(i feel its so light), and i dont know why i get down more tanks(more accurate) than others

Word^