Vehicles Or No Vehicles... That's the question ???

[sassback]

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the Battlefield series is what it is because of the vehicles IMO. even though i am a groundpounder, i think having to strategically manuver around/destroy vehicles adds a nice bit of realism. IO can be fun but most of the people play it for the stats and can thus, ruin your experience. alot of people say they play it to get away from vehicle whores, but the prone spammers and constant flow of grenades make it just about as bad.

[Dairuka]

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I am going to say that I have always been against IO, but I do regularly play on an IO server. But the exception I am talking about is the {VSSQ} IO 16/16 map server. It actually works out real well rotating maps were everything is in short running distances. I mean, Songha is fun (albeit it has boats), Fushe is a jog too the action but tolerable.

Aside from small 16 player maps, I feel that IO is truely against the best interests of the Battlefield Community. If those that really want IO as a game mode, they may need to return to CS.

I run into you quite frequently on the VSSQ server. You're one of my favorite people to kill there.

You should put the =BFO= server in your favorites too, in case VSSQ isn't up. We have a nearly identicle map rotation. (Except our GL loves Jalalabad's 16 player map)

I've personally had my fill of Vanilla BF2. So Infantry Only really kept Vanilla BF2 fresh for me. I usually do my vehicle whoring on Special Forces maps now, since those stages are still new to me. :)

I'm sure that when SF gets boring, I'll pick up AF, if it's still around.

[RocketChild]

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I run into you quite frequently on the VSSQ server. You're one of my favorite people to kill there.

You should put the =BFO= server in your favorites too, in case VSSQ isn't up. We have a nearly identicle map rotation. (Except our GL loves Jalalabad's 16 player map)

I've personally had my fill of Vanilla BF2. So Infantry Only really kept Vanilla BF2 fresh for me. I usually do my vehicle whoring on Special Forces maps now, since those stages are still new to me. :)

I'm sure that when SF gets boring, I'll pick up AF, if it's still around.

haha, funny, then I will make sure I start to focus my game if you are in. Got any issues with my GL? I think I am normally a commander on the VSSQ servers whenever I am on. It blows my mind when I am on a server and I don't realize that I am playing with people that might be on TBF2.

[Dairuka]

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haha, funny, then I will make sure I start to focus my game if you are in. Got any issues with my GL? I think I am normally a commander on the VSSQ servers whenever I am on. It blows my mind when I am on a server and I don't realize that I am playing with people that might be on TBF2.

I'm a regular on the VSSQ servers at this point. I also play regularly on =WON= Warlord IO, =BFO= IO (Duh), Antietam Dragon Valley and Insomnia 365 Mashtuur.

I'm suprised you don't recognize me, since I'm the one whos always getting the gold medal.

Anyhow, expect to see some G36C and C4 death spam in the future from me. I've fallen in love with the Spec-Ops class.

[Ottae]

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I like it, but I only like it because it doesn't have armour. The only thing that annoys me is running around everywhere.

[Sir. Blackhawk 5]

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I dont really like it much, but i dont care about it. SOmetimes its hard finding a vehicle server. What makes Battlefield good is the ability to drive vehicles, or else it will be like any other FPS, counter strike, SWAT......many others.

[kran1um]

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I like IO. Before IO I was total of 12% in vehicles as I thought they were cheap action. I made it a point to take out the vehicles as my goal, whether it be Derka-Derka or AT or Spec Ops. Vehicles have a huge advantage and really if you look at it the only use people see them for is rapeage. Show me a vehicle actually fight one another? in 1400 hours of playing its rare. I strictly dogfight or find a tank when I am in one, to me its more competitive than looking down an alleyway spawncamping or dropping payloads on red dots as you wave to the enemy plane on his way to drop. Ive finally found the reason why vehicle whores hate Derka-Derkas; it messes up thier spawnrapeage.

Why I like IO - because even though its a nadefest and claywhore (you still get it on vehicle mode) you have strategy IF you take a flag. And once you learn how to play IO the nadewhores dont matter as all you have to do is rush them. But I do like to go back and kill some tanks and watch them ***** in-game.

[Bungalow_Bill]

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I'd rather play pong then IO mode.

IO mode in my eyes is just pathetic, a perversion of the entire Battlfield series and I believe anyone who spends a majority of their time in that mode is nothing more than a scared little statpadder who can't hang with the big dogs.

That isn't me being a biased vehicle whore either (as a I have a majority of my time playing as a medic) but rather a long time fan of the Battlefield series where the key defining element of the gameplay is the interaction between the various vehicles and infantry units. When I'm playing as a medic I actually*enjoy* encountering an enemy armored unit because I enjoy that additional obstacle and view it as simply another challenge for me and my squad to overcome.

I'll say the one benefit of IO mode is I noticed as all of the statpadding n00bs left for IO mode the regular servers became more challenging (better players) and the teamwork became a LOT better. I'm not just saying that... I actually noticed this change a couple days after the release of the 1.4 patch.

[Chevy-SS]

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Myself and others always argued that IO mode was just a push to get rid of the tanks and APC's from Karkand, so the point whores wouldn't have their revive, supply, and grenade spamming whoring interrupted and nobody would have to go spec ops or AT.

Nearly everybody who argued in support of IO mode almost exclusively played Karkand, and those against the IO mode played all maps fairly evenly.

So far what I've seen pretty much vindicates this view. Jalalabad for some is the new Karkand, but in terms of IO there are very few servers and players who aren't just there for point whoring.

In my view the tank whoring on infantry maps was always less of a problem than aircraft whoring on other maps, because there are many, many more ways of destroying vehicles than aircraft.

If any new game mode was going to be made it should have been no aircraft, not no vehicles, and then at least the new game mode would be playable on all maps.

Well stated. I concur.

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[Lazza66]

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I like IO. Before IO I was total of 12% in vehicles as I thought they were cheap action. I made it a point to take out the vehicles as my goal, whether it be Derka-Derka or AT or Spec Ops. Vehicles have a huge advantage and really if you look at it the only use people see them for is rapeage. Show me a vehicle actually fight one another? in 1400 hours of playing its rare. I strictly dogfight or find a tank when I am in one, to me its more competitive than looking down an alleyway spawncamping or dropping payloads on red dots as you wave to the enemy plane on his way to drop. Ive finally found the reason why vehicle whores hate Derka-Derkas; it messes up thier spawnrapeage.

If you played more than 2 maps you may have a different opinion. Point whores from Karkand or Warlord are always whining about vehicle rape. So if there's an imbalance, play another bloody map, there's more than 2 you know.

...even though its a nadefest and claywhore (you still get it on vehicle mode)

Rubbish.

you have strategy IF you take a flag. And once you learn how to play IO the nadewhores dont matter as all you have to do is rush them. But I do like to go back and kill some tanks and watch them ***** in-game.

So spawning amongst a hail of grenades and being dead before you can move can be avoided by rushing them, right

edit... in practice whenever I try and rush forward I am tk'd by the friendly nades being thrown from behind me anyway.

Meh, with your rank I'm surprised you don't know better. With my tank "whorage" on say Zatar I can usually place in the top 10 but am never in the bling. On say Jalalabad IO I can easily get frequent medals. Generalising what players might do in vehicles on the only 2 maps you play to the whole game is a very dubious move.

[RocketChild]

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Generalising what players might do in vehicles on the only 2 maps you play to the whole game is a very dubious move.

Really! Considering how I can match a helo gunners' points on Sharqi by just running and gunning as assault tells me that vehicles are not the point whore medium...and if I really wanted to surpass them, I just play med-kit with the G36E. I will rack'em up with that! IO meh.

[Lazza66]

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Really! Considering how I can match a helo gunners' points on Sharqi by just running and gunning as assault tells me that vehicles are not the point whore medium...and if I really wanted to surpass them, I just play med-kit with the G36E. I will rack'em up with that! IO meh.

Agreed, I think you misunderstood what I meant.

Point whoring is best achieved on any map by using medic or support on any map, on foot is fine, and light transport is a good help sometimes (excepting ace pilots in J10's).

Point whoring with no vehicles is even better because people aren't dying in vehicles (and hence are revivable), and people aren't killing players outright with vehicles (revive not possible), and vehicles aren't killing the medics and support who are trying to point whore.

This explains why the spm is 3 times higher on IO mode than on vBF2. What really upsets infantry on vBF2 is that the armour whore is whoring it up better than they (as medic or support) are managing to whore it up, and they don't want to choose a non whorable kit like spec ops or AT, and that's the ugly truth.

[troybob]

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But tell EA be less than her veteran time for vehicles for the General rank's.

Do this and you have more possibilities to be General, because with the infantry mode, its really bad for hours on tank.... YOU DON'T HAVE IT !!!!!!:evil: MOOOUUUHAHAHAHA....

Its true !:hmm:

do they not speak english in canada? :p

[RocketChild]

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Agreed, I think you misunderstood what I meant.

Point whoring is best achieved on any map by using medic or support on any map, on foot is fine, and light transport is a good help sometimes (excepting ace pilots in J10's).

Point whoring with no vehicles is even better because people aren't dying in vehicles (and hence are revivable), and people aren't killing players outright with vehicles (revive not possible), and vehicles aren't killing the medics and support who are trying to point whore.

This explains why the spm is 3 times higher on IO mode than on vBF2. What really upsets infantry on vBF2 is that the armour whore is whoring it up better than they (as medic or support) are managing to whore it up, and they don't want to choose a non whorable kit like spec ops or AT, and that's the ugly truth.

I had not stopped to consider the point that people opt for strictly the point whoring kits compared to something like Spec-Ops, which is never a match for any kit, even the AT sporting a DAO.

I really hate all that discussion about gimping grenades in supply kits, but for infantry, maybe they should have gimped how many med packs it takes to heal fully. Considering everyone has double the health and double the stamina, seems like a fair compromise.

[Dairuka]

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do they not speak english in canada? :p

You better be from any country other than America, otherwise you'll choke on the irony of your words.