To what extent external help is acceptable?

[.Churr.]

I was checking a topic about the Lightning in Dragon Valley and a poster said he used a program called PowerStrip which can control some video card settings (brightness and gamma for example). I think it is this one:

http://entechtaiwan.net/util/ps.shtm

Some people said it is gay and he could or should get reset. Now, I don't use it, but I think there is nothing wrong with that, as you could accomplish the same with default video card software (Catalyst for example) or using your monitor controls.

Now, stuff like RedDot or any sort of macros IMO offer an unfair disadvantage over common players because that is not something you can do "naturally"...

Any official position from EA or the ROE guys?
EDIT: What about a on-screen clock? (so I dont need to mentally count the seconds left for the enemy to respawn?)

[XmetallicaXguitarstX]

Re: To what extent external help is acceptable?

Why use that program when all he has to do is turn down the brightness...

[Revoluti0n]

Re: To what extent external help is acceptable?

Like the guy that got a global hardware PB ban for using that software that automatically draws a reticle in the center of your screen (RedDot). I wouldn't mess with that stuff. You don't need to be EA/ROE to remember the countless threads about people being banned by PB for that kind of thing.
Why do you need a clock to count? You cannot count "naturally"?

[deadman2312]

Re: To what extent external help is acceptable?

1....2.....4...7.....10...

Oh NOES!! Not again.

1...3....5....DAMNIT!!!!

2..4.....ah f*ck it.

If you cant play the game the way it was shipped you are mentaly deficient, bottom line.

Macros....JoyToKey, bla bla bla, is lameness.

[TheSpaniard]

Re: To what extent external help is acceptable?

Like the guy that got a global hardware PB ban for using that software that automatically draws a reticle in the center of your screen (RedDot). I wouldn't mess with that stuff. You don't need to be EA/ROE to remember the countless threads about people being banned by PB for that kind of thing.
Why do you need a clock to count? You cannot count "naturally"?

I am the person who uses 'Poststrip' and for very sound reasons.

At 61 years of age my eyes are to say the least rather dim, and without
the ability to change brightness from within a game (any game) it
would be virtually impossible for me to play it.

My suggestion was in no way intended to be a 'hack' rather a help
to people who may be similarly afflicted.

So go ahead, report me if it makes you feel all warm and rosy.

Quite frankly all I feel is digusted at the original poster's comments
on this thread and your apparent agreement with them.

Perhaps you'd also like to report one-armed guys that have prosthetics
to help them use a mouse.

Just one suggestion......engage brain before hitting keyboard in future.

=AAF=TheSpaniard.

I am the person who uses 'Poststrip' and for very sound reasons.

At 61 years of age my eyes are to say the least rather dim, and without
the ability to change brightness from within a game (any game) it
would be virtually impossible for me to play it.

My suggestion was in no way intended to be a 'hack' rather a help
to people who may be similarly afflicted.

So go ahead, report me if it makes you feel all warm and rosy.

Quite frankly all I feel is digusted at the original poster's comments
on this thread and your apparent agreement with them.

Perhaps you'd also like to report one-armed guys that have prosthetics
to help them use a mouse.

Just one suggestion......engage brain before hitting keyboard in future.

=AAF=TheSpaniard.

Shows how bad my bleeding eyes are, I typed 'Poststrip' instead
of 'Powerstrip'.:laugh:

As for the poster who thinks anyone who can't play a game straight
out of the box is a retard, I'd suggest he goes and f**** himself.

=AAF=TheSpaniard.

Why use that program when all he has to do is turn down the brightness...

If you'd have actually taken the trouble to follow the link to
the original thread I did in fact state that a similar result could be
obtained from using the brightness controls.

I find it easier to use a tool made for the job rather than having to
reach over my desk every time a map changes to adjust brightness/
darkness or gamma settings. It's so much easier from the keyboard.

It gives me no advantage over any other players, or perhaps we just ought
to ban every player who isn't physically perfect?

=AAF=TheSpaniard.

1....2.....4...7.....10...

Oh NOES!! Not again.

1...3....5....DAMNIT!!!!

2..4.....ah f*ck it.

If you cant play the game the way it was shipped you are mentaly deficient, bottom line.

Macros....JoyToKey, bla bla bla, is lameness.

Really? Mentally deficient eh?

I'd suggest you read my reasons for not being able to play games
'the way it was shipped'.

You might also stretch your imagination and think of lots of other
reasons why people might need some 'assistance' to play games.

Then I suggest you go for an IQ check for typing stupid comments.

=AAF=TheSpaniard.

[FPS[VT_NERD]]

Re: To what extent external help is acceptable?

Like the guy that got a global hardware PB ban for using that software that automatically draws a reticle in the center of your screen (RedDot). I wouldn't mess with that stuff. You don't need to be EA/ROE to remember the countless threads about people being banned by PB for that kind of thing.
Why do you need a clock to count? You cannot count "naturally"?

PB doesn't give out hardware bans unless you use software that messes with PB and tries to screw it up. At least as far as I know anyways. You can and will get GUID banned which makes you go buy another copy so you have a new GUID.

If you cant play the game the way it was shipped you are mentaly deficient, bottom line.

Macros....JoyToKey, bla bla bla, is lameness.

I tend to agree with you, but JoyToKey is anything but lameness. It helps some of us, like me, with older joysticks (mine still uses a gameport) program all the buttons (mine has 10, but BF2 doesn't support them all for no good reason). Is it possible to use JoyToKey for other less scrupulous uses? Yes, but thankfully PB recognizes its value as a useful utility and doesn't care if you use it or not. It is not remotely the same as a macro (perhaps you meant to mention AutoHotkey instead) and definitely shouldn't be lumped into that category. Addtionally, you need to look at the bigger picture and in particular Spaniard's reason for using the program.

Quite frankly all I feel is digusted at the original poster's comments
on this thread and your apparent agreement with them.

You need to read more carefully in the future. The OP of this thread said he felt there was nothing wrong with using Powerstrip for this purpose and was trying to engage people here in a discussion to that end. He certainly wasn't condeming you for using it. He did go on to say that he thinks programs that draw red dots are going too far. You can disregard this part of my post if you're talking about the original thread that the OP of this thread is referring to. Nobody posted a link so I couldn't read it myself.

[imported_Goofy]

Re: To what extent external help is acceptable?

the smackdown has been laid...

[LT_SE7EN11]

Re: To what extent external help is acceptable?

"61 years"

Sweet! I wish I could get my dad to play some BF2. Oh that would be so sweet. He does play baseball with me though....hmmm...

[Sloi sauce]

Re: To what extent external help is acceptable?

I would like to draw an analogy: if you have a physical handicap preventing you from shooting a precision rifle without artificial help, you can still enjoy it privately. However, if competition shooting specifically states that no artificial help will be tolerated, you will unfortunately have to abstain from participating.

Ranked play assumes that everyone is on a level field. I see unranked servers as casual, private playgrounds in which your chosen artificial help should be allowed.

[TheSpaniard]

Re: To what extent external help is acceptable?

You need to read more carefully in the future. The OP of this thread said he felt there was nothing wrong with using Powerstrip for this purpose and was trying to engage people here in a discussion to that end. He certainly wasn't condeming you for using it. He did go on to say that he thinks programs that draw red dots are going too far. You can disregard this part of my post if you're talking about the original thread that the OP of this thread is referring to. Nobody posted a link so I couldn't read it myself.

It was phrased badly, but yes, I was referring to the
poster in the original thread who stated whether I was asking to have my stats reset.

The original thread was titled something like 'Lighting in Dragon Valley'.
It's on page 6 or thereabouts.

It was the other ignorant replies on this thread that upset me, not the
OP's comments. At least he had taken the trouble to read the original
thread.

=AAF=TheSpanaird.

I would like to draw an analogy: if you have a physical handicap preventing you from shooting a precision rifle without artificial help, you can still enjoy it privately. However, if competition shooting specifically states that no artificial help will be tolerated, you will unfortunately have to abstain from participating.

Ranked play assumes that everyone is on a level field. I see unranked servers as casual, private playgrounds in which your chosen artificial help should be allowed.

Get real. It's a game for God's sake.

It's already been stated that 'Powerstrip' does no more than allow lighting
to be altered from within a game, similar to adjusting your monitor
controls.

So you think I should only be allowed to play on unranked servers?

I don't know what you're on buddy, but can I have some too?

Thank God we don't rely on you for making rules for the human race.

=AAF=TheSpaniard.

[Talus]

Re: To what extent external help is acceptable?

Ok...don't bring JoyToKey into this...

JoyToKey can NOT do macros. I just allows you to map keyboard buttons and mouse axes/buttons to joysticks/gamepads.

[TheSpaniard]

Re: To what extent external help is acceptable?

I would like to draw an analogy: if you have a physical handicap preventing you from shooting a precision rifle without artificial help, you can still enjoy it privately. However, if competition shooting specifically states that no artificial help will be tolerated, you will unfortunately have to abstain from participating.

Ranked play assumes that everyone is on a level field. I see unranked servers as casual, private playgrounds in which your chosen artificial help should be allowed.

Hello Sloi, I'll rip your analogy apart.:evil:

BF2 a level playing field eh?

No it's not. I play from Spain on a 1MB link.

My ping is never much below 100. Most other players I'm against
have pings as low as 20. This is a real handicap to shooting anyone
as they've 'moved' sometimes as you shoot them. However, my stats
prove I don't do too badly.

Not level at all is it?

Perhaps we should penalise players on low pings? Level the playing
field a bit wouldn't it?

=AAF=TheSpaniard.

[FPS[VT_NERD]]

Re: To what extent external help is acceptable?

Here's my answer:

I look at 800 or so screenshots every day. If I saw your's, Spaniard, with the increased lighting I would NOT be turning it in to Punksbusted to add to the master ban list. Perhaps other people are up in arms about it, but so what if he increases the brightness so he can see the game he paid to play? Artificial advantage? I don't think so.

My $.02: keep playing the game like that if it's the only way you can play it. No reason you should be cannon fodder just because your eyesight isn't what it once was.

[TheSpaniard]

Re: To what extent external help is acceptable?

Here's my answer:

I look at 800 or so screenshots every day. If I saw your's, Spaniard, with the increased lighting I would NOT be turning it in to Punksbusted to add to the master ban list. Perhaps other people are up in arms about it, but so what if he increases the brightness so he can see the game he paid to play? Artificial advantage? I don't think so.

My $.02: keep playing the game like that if it's the only way you can play it. No reason you should be cannon fodder just because your eyesight isn't what it once was.

Thank you. Your comment is appreciated.

Regards.

=AAF=TheSpaniard.

[Revoluti0n]

Re: To what extent external help is acceptable?

I am the person who uses 'Poststrip' and for very sound reasons.

At 61 years of age my eyes are to say the least rather dim, and without
the ability to change brightness from within a game (any game) it
would be virtually impossible for me to play it.

My suggestion was in no way intended to be a 'hack' rather a help
to people who may be similarly afflicted.

So go ahead, report me if it makes you feel all warm and rosy.

Quite frankly all I feel is digusted at the original poster's comments
on this thread and your apparent agreement with them.

Perhaps you'd also like to report one-armed guys that have prosthetics
to help them use a mouse.

Just one suggestion......engage brain before hitting keyboard in future.

=AAF=TheSpaniard.

Shows how bad my bleeding eyes are, I typed 'Poststrip' instead
of 'Powerstrip'.:laugh:

As for the poster who thinks anyone who can't play a game straight
out of the box is a retard, I'd suggest he goes and f**** himself.

=AAF=TheSpaniard.

You know, I don't understand what the sour-grapes attitude with you is about. The original post says nothing about you, or your post. Yet you come out of the corner swinging like you actually have something to defend.

I do have some questions for you though:

-How in the world can you possibly think I was talking about you in particular? If you are still able to play the game, you obviously did not get banned right? So much for good old common sense.

-Who ever said anything about reporting anyone? I thought you'd know what they say about people that "assume".

-How can you possibly be disgusted by a thread asking if using 3rd party software to help in game is allowed and to what extent?

Seems to me that you have a chip on your shoulder Spaniard. So your eye sight is not what it used to be, or so you imply; is that any of our faults? I surmised your eye sight was bad after reading your post. Your reply had very little if anything to do with the inital post or my own reply.
So before you start attacking people for something you obviously cannot comprehend try not to reduce yourself to the level of a common e-punk and follow your own advice :

Just one suggestion......engage brain before hitting keyboard in future.

I'm done with this thread.