WTF with C4??

[DesertFalcon]

Re: WTF with C4??

I think it was nerfed because it was posible for SOME n00b lame a$$ mofo's to do it, like peeps who moan about it

ROFL!!! noobs abused the support kit with dolphin diving and other stuff now with throwing c4. maybe once or twice a round osme one would get a c4 kill from toosing it but there are way worse things then c4 throwing.

[Bungalow_Bill]

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C4 hasn't been nerfed enough and should fall off of fast moving vehicles. It's a extremely poweful explosive and to balance that power it has extremely limited range/speed of deployment - but jeep jihading is a way to bypass that limitation. C4 is meant to have 3 real uses. 1) Setting up a trap to destroy infantry/vehicles 2) Sneaking up on a vehicle planting it on them/near them and destroying them 3) Destroying commander assets. All of these intended uses require you to either be right next to your target or set up a stationary trap in advance.

DICE has said placing C4 on to a jeep jihad style is unintended gameplay element and thus an exploitation. That's the reason DICE has made a BFROE that allows you to disallow Jihad Jeeps because sadly they can't figure out how to patch it and fix the code so players can no longer exploit this. Using a Jihad Jeep is pretty much 100% guaranteed way to kill a tank or APC with zero skill involved and even if you're coming at them head on chances are you'll still be able to roll you damage vehicle within range, detonate and destroy them (and yourself of course).

[old sch00l]

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I totally agree with you PlaneWhore, would be nice for the c4 to slide off with velocity

supprised no one has complained about the prone to standing delay causing a problem with knifers, they could go around having a too easy kill that they wouldn't have had before

only thing that pi$$ed me off so far

[AnotherEd]

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Using a Jihad Jeep is pretty much 100% guaranteed way to kill a tank or APC with zero skill involved and even if you're coming at them head on chances are you'll still be able to roll you damage vehicle within range, detonate and destroy them (and yourself of course).

Wow, I can see why people completely disregard you at times now. Like rolling in with another tank and getting first shot on the other tank while you both just point at each other and take shots after reload takes any more skill? Like getting into a jet and dropping bombs takes any more skill? Like spawning beside the tank and planting C4/AT mine takes any more skill?

Stop it. It's not zero skill. It requires you to know where to find a vehicle, how to navigate streets at high speed to avoid being hit and to hit the tank before they see/hit/kill you. It requires you to know how to jump off at the right time so you have just enough time to detonate without jumping off too soon to avoid your vehicle stopping short.

Sure it's not some uberleet "I'm a god" double back flip avoid the AA missle "oh look at me" move followed with a precision bombing run and finished off with a cannon run at an AH all before heading back to your carrier before you refuel up... but come on now... "zero skill"... get your head out of your arse.

I find jihad jeeping actually a very slow way to kill people. I mean, that person could just as easily get into a helo and have the tank TV guided in one hit all the while laying waste to other ground troops along the way. I find jihad jeeping inefficient at best and to be used for certain circumstances whenever you have a tank that no one is pairing up with you to help take it out with AT for instance. Which happens invariably in every game I'm in... Seems like a decent countermeasure in such a case.

Point is, I've seen people kick for jihad jeeping when in actuality they are simply kicking inefficient players. WTF? Since when is it okay to kick people that just aren't as good as you are or the best they can be?

[old sch00l]

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yeah jihad jeep is fun but you do too many times you deserve to be kicked for disrupting the game

[AnotherEd]

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But that is my point, what is "disrupting"? Killing things less quickly than you could other ways? Seems bizarre reasoning to me.

[old sch00l]

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ok I see your point, but..

the better players have no need for such cheap tricks and belive me it becomes boring

if you concentrated on playing the game as it was meant to be played, you would probably find yourself higher up the point table (excluding all whores :p)

[AnotherEd]

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This is my point though when did it become acceptable to kick people for not being a "better player"? I've already made my case it's not a cheap trick. And when people do it against me, I just find it one more challenge to watch for when in a tank and I find I can frequently kill them before they kill me.

If people really were "better players" they'd realize there are ways to combat such... simply kill them before they kill you.

Now don't get me wrong, I understand why people really get upset at this. It's the common headshot/grenade launcher/one-shot-kill complaint. Except this time around people feel they have a leg to stand on with complaining about it because it's not as intended. My take is it doesn't unbalance the game enough, again at worst it slows such a person down in what they could be doing. So again... why kick someone just for doing something not efficiently?

[SyNn3R]

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yeah jihad jeep is fun but you do too many times you deserve to be kicked for disrupting the game

hmm...disrupting huh? i didn't know that destroy an asset such as a tank or apc what a disruption, perhaps you should be kicked for choosing the AT kit as well?

This all boils down to idiots not being able to avoid being killed.
C4 tossers... it takes timing to do it. and is just as retarded as believing the you should be able to throw a claymore down on the ground and yay for kill points!
It people like you guys that have destroyed this game, changing every little thing that gets you killed.

as posted above i believe for an ROE rule...
(b) Preventing any players from using certain vehicles such as jets, helicopters or tanks.

hmmm.. i guess the 1.4 patch declares 70% of you all stat padders. might wanna re-word that... perhaps get a lawyer to review it.

Back to c4 tossing, if you see someone running at you with c4... RUN! OMG RUN! don't just stand there like a retard trying to shoot him. And if he kills you... you deserve it.
The reason for c4 needed to somehwat tossed is because of the sloppy *** game declaring the tank a winner because you had to stand near the treds to place your c4.

STOP NERFING STUFF! before we all turn into a bunch of goons slapping each other with pickles in mini-skirts. oh wait, then you'd all complain about the size of your pickle vs the other teams. whatever. you've ruined this game.

[Teh_Diplomat]

Re: WTF with C4??

I remember when you could toss C4 across the street onto a tank, at least now it takes some skill, and timing to sneak up to a tank and set it off.

[zzDimaxx]

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remove jihad jeeps is very easy...
just make sure C4 cant stick to a vehicle(or only when enemy inside the vehicle)

[Hippodog]

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Never seemed realistic to be able to 'stick' your C4 on something by tossing it. Figure you'd actually have to, you know, walk up to it, and plant it. I don't think they're refridgerator magnets, where you throw them on the tank, and they automatically stick because of some mysterious attraction.

It's no big, anyhow. You have to walk an extra foot to plant your C4. Big whoop.

[Teh_Diplomat]

Re: WTF with C4??

remove jihad jeeps is very easy...
just make sure C4 cant stick to a vehicle(or only when enemy inside the vehicle)

Now why would they do something that stupid; Planting explosives on your jeep has been around since BF1942'. Plus it usually kills the man involved. so unless he gets two kills, he comes out even.

[BlueHound247]

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On a lighter note, I am sure some of you have seen this, but for those that haven't this is video, gets to the point.......enjoy the flying c4 chucking arab !

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-2356747561040703799&q=bf2

[Iwantcable]

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The whole point was that you're supposed to climb up on top of the armor that's spawn killing you and drop it inside. Of course this may take a minute or two for you to heave the C4 out of your pack. I'm glad I got my expert explosives before this patch though...whew.