Implied realism and expectations of such.

[Factor_Z]

Re: Implied realism and expectations of such.

If only a few of us could go back in time and opine...

Infantry weapon accuracy: keep it real.

Healing and resupplying: keep it fun.

Tanks: Let them kill helo's easily.

Artillary: It ain't helping anybody.

Commander: Well, that's not so bad.

Jets: Only on 1/3 of the maps.

[Shagrath]

Re: Implied realism and expectations of such.

You respawn when you die
You can change kit/loadout everytime you die
Every injury is magically healed with defibrillators
No one has blood
When you die a little bag comes out of your body for other people to pick up
Anyone can jump in a boat/tank/helicopter/APC/jet and instantly know how to operate it safely
You apply to command the troops
You get points everytime you kill someone
Friendly soldiers have their name floating above their head
A helicopter and be shot heavily in the rotor and have no failure

I could go on

This equals arcade game.

Not to mention you use a mouse and keyboard to shoot a gun. If you guys want realism, go out into the real world and buy some guns and go shooting. And if you want to kill people join the army. It's not hard to figure out, games are for fun if it was realistic we couldn't even play battlefield on a computer because that's not "realistic" enough for some people.

[Kayback]

Re: Implied realism and expectations of such.

It's not hard to figure out, games are for fun if it was realistic we couldn't even play battlefield on a computer because that's not "realistic" enough for some people.

But that's the whole problem right there. Everyone has a different stick that they measure "fun" against.

Personally I'm pretty happy with how BF2 turned out. There are one or two things I'd change if I was in charge (Air dropped Toyota trucks with an RPK stuck through a hole in the window?!?!?!)

But overall the game is fun.

However there are things that, IMHO and in the opinion of the OP, detract from the fun.

Unfortunately EA and Dice brought this on themselves when they made a game that emulates (note I didn't say SIMulates) real world things.

IRL the .50 would drop you dead. A Marine wouldn't be seen bunny hopping down the road, a jet can't re-arm by flying over the runway.

These are all things that increase the gameplay fun in one regard, but detract from it in others. Sure it's fun for the flyboy to be able to zoot over the runway and arm up, but it'd be more fun for the ground punders if they'd HAVE to land. Even if they just needed to land, stop, turn around and get airborn again, it give the ground pounder a chance to slam an Eryx into it.

The bunny hopping is still idiotic. It should never have been allowed into the game. it does make it too easy for people to avoid machiengun fire.

However I have an instant open BASE capable 'chute. While not terribly effective in a gunfight, it is useful to be able to jump off a biulding instead of using the stairs all the time.

BF2 puts in a fairly well done balance between Sim guys looking for a hard core military game, and deathmatch bunnies who want a fast paced FPS.

IMHO they should remove bunny hopping and insta un-proning, and make the planes have to land to re arm and they'd have a perfect game.

Maybe tweak the cone fire a bit, but that's optional. Everyone has the same drawback here.

KBK

[L3adcannon]

Re: Implied realism and expectations of such.

All of this is done for the sake of gameplay, it still attempts to be as realistic as possible.

As realistic as possible? well DICE has failed miserably at realism.

Cone of fire+ 3 or 4 mags+ more than 3 shots to the chest to kill someone= infantry is pretty much useless when it comes to fighting head on, large scale.

This Rock, Paper, Scissors thing is such BS

How hard is it to make guns act like in Americas Army. That would make people take more cover and make tactical decisions.
Also would stop people from running around the map. Currently you can pretty much freely run around without getting shot cause the default guns are total crap.

Whoever hits the prone button first (and has an unlock gun), wins pretty much.

sry for crap english

[Shagrath]

Re: Implied realism and expectations of such.

As realistic as possible? well DICE has failed miserably at realism.

Cone of fire+ 3 or 4 mags+ more than 3 shots to the chest to kill someone= infantry is pretty much useless when it comes to fighting head on, large scale.

This Rock, Paper, Scissors thing is such BS

How hard is it to make guns act like in Americas Army. That would make people take more cover and make tactical decisions.
Also would stop people from running around the map. Currently you can pretty much freely run around without getting shot cause the default guns are total crap.

Whoever hits the prone button first (and has an unlock gun), wins pretty much.

sry for crap english

Americas Army SUCKS. It is too realistic therefore, no fun. Proven by the fact that video games even exist; we want to escape reality, not make another one.

[richardaball]

Re: Implied realism and expectations of such.

The only problems I have with this game are the CTD's, J10, and I think medics should be killed with one shot from a sniper (Only medics) as they are impossible to kill with sniper unless of course its a headshot.

[L3adcannon]

Re: Implied realism and expectations of such.

Americas Army SUCKS. It is too realistic therefore, no fun. Proven by the fact that video games even exist; we want to escape reality, not make another one.

I find it very good and fun. Weapons and is a perfect mix between arcade and realism .People, grenades act like they should. Actually requires some thinking. Now OFP is realistic, but you would die in the first 5 sec so no point talking about that.

BTW, not everyone need to escape reality cause they have ****ed it up or their life sucks.

[Gun slinger]

Re: Implied realism and expectations of such.

I just wish it had blood

[Roger Smith]

Re: Implied realism and expectations of such.

i didnt read the whole thing, but i agree that the game was meant to be as realistic as possible while maintaining gameplay and fun factor.

[HF_Martini6]

Re: Implied realism and expectations of such.

Anti-vehicle missles/rockets. An ERYX to the engine-block/passenger cab of the vehicle could and probably would blow the vehicle to bits... if not the entire vehicle, then certainly its occupants I'm thinking.

No it wouldn't as you can see relay good in some Pics from Iraq or Afghanistan, a Humvee even takes a light anti Tank mine without being blowed to bits and pieces....

The "Cone of fire" is my favorite though. To think that a highly refined rifle like the M4, M16, G36, M249 SAW, AK101, etc) would be alowed into service if it actually deviated that much from its iron-sights/laser dot is beyond me.

have you ever fired a AK74 or a M15A3 at Full Auto mode? there's no ****ing way you'll hit more than air at a distance of 50 meters and above cause you just can't control your Rifle at Full Auto mode.....

there's something i wopuld like to know, you guys call someone that hits a target from 300 yards with a scoped Rifle a Sniper?
in our Army we shoot up to 550 yards with our AR's and no Scope, you become a Sniper if you hit a moving target with a diameter of 6 inch at a range of 830 yards with a 4x20 Scope.......

besides that BF2 is just a ****ed up Buggy Game not more or less

[imported_Predator]

Re: Implied realism and expectations of such.

You respawn when you die
You can change kit/loadout everytime you die
Every injury is magically healed with defibrillators
No one has blood
When you die a little bag comes out of your body for other people to pick up
Anyone can jump in a boat/tank/helicopter/APC/jet and instantly know how to operate it safely
You apply to command the troops
You get points everytime you kill someone
Friendly soldiers have their name floating above their head
A helicopter and be shot heavily in the rotor and have no failure

I could go on

This equals arcade game.

My favorite is the thought of two opposing sides building airfields within a couple of miles of eachother and people using parachutes in the city.

[Roger Smith]

Re: Implied realism and expectations of such.

No it wouldn't as you can see relay good in some Pics from Iraq or Afghanistan, a Humvee even takes a light anti Tank mine without being blowed to bits and pieces....

first off the bottom of a re-armored humvee is its strongest part. secondly, we are talking about a 137 mm anti-armor missile, not some rpg. if you were talking about an abrams i would have to agree. but nothing else on the battlefield can withstand a hit from one of these missiles, especially not a humvee.

have you ever fired a AK74 or a M15A3 at Full Auto mode? there's no ****ing way you'll hit more than air at a distance of 50 meters and above cause you just can't control your Rifle at Full Auto mode.....

he wasnt talking about automatic at all, he was talking about the cone of fire when firing single shots. the ak doesnt even go close to where you aim.

[DutchMillman]

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If you want realism, try "Red Orchestra". Everything is taken into account, even the weight of your rifle if fully loaded with ammo or empty. Thus making aiming more difficult when reloaded. And it's just about everytime one shot, one kill. Getting the shot, that's the whole deal...

I do like it a lot, but I keep coming back to BF2 (despite alle the bugs, that's a different story..) to get some fast-pased action.

[HF_Martini6]

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he wasnt talking about automatic at all, he was talking about the cone of fire when firing single shots. the ak doesnt even go close to where you aim.

well that's another point but do you realy think that DICE would have implemented a standard AR that has a Deviation of 1 inch at 100 yards with an entire Clip emptied in Semi Auto mode?
I don't think so, that would have made the unlocks useless

And yes, a Humvee can withstand a 137mm Anti Armor missile, check the spec's for the HMMWV XM119 /A1 and the Eryx, when you hit the engine bay with that you can stop the Humvee but you can't destroy it totaly.
If you try the same with a MILAN or a TOW you would blow the Humvee to heaven and a Tank to bits...

[Kedra22]

Re: Implied realism and expectations of such.

claymores don't have the 50m kill range and 250m fragment range. Image if they did :p