Define baserape when engaging choppers/aircrafts

[davelisowski]

Re: Define baserape when engaging choppers/aircrafts

As a rule, there are none. It's kill or be killed. The "No spawnkilling" rule is plain stupid. If someone spawns and turns to shoot you, you can't fire back?

More times than not, when a person spawns they don't turn and fire. They get killed before they have a chance to do anything. So this is quite the reverse of what you perceive.

I'd say unless your team has all the cappable flags, attacking the uncap is pretty lame - even to keep jets or helos grounded. People who do that have a fear that the other pilot is better than they are, and will get owned in the skies. What's wrong with waiting 2 more seconds for a kill?

But what do I know, 50% of my kills are from actively hunting AFKers. L33t skillz.

[pjpowell]

Re: Define baserape when engaging choppers/aircrafts

I'd say unless your team has all the cappable flags, attacking the uncap is pretty lame - even to keep jets or helos grounded. People who do that have a fear that the other pilot is better than they are, and will get owned in the skies. What's wrong with waiting 2 more seconds for a kill?

In that 2 seconds a jet took you out and while you wait to respawn the helo is on it's way to your own uncap to keep you on the ground for the rest of the game. Moral: if you have the opportunity, take it.

[USARANGER]

Re: Define baserape when engaging choppers/aircrafts

right as they enter the vehicle, engage. its not raping when they chose to go do something that can get them killed, like try to get into the heli. it IS raping when u just kill them right as they spawn. like when the Havic just sits behind the tv station on sharqi and kills ppl as they spawn

[davelisowski]

Re: Define baserape when engaging choppers/aircrafts

In that 2 seconds a jet took you out and while you wait to respawn the helo is on it's way to your own uncap to keep you on the ground for the rest of the game. Moral: if you have the opportunity, take it.

I'm saying you can wait 2 more seconds for the jet or helo to take off, then you engage and kill him. If you get killed in two seconds while watching the guy take off, then you don't deserve to be in the air in the first place.

[Shepherd007]

Re: Define baserape when engaging choppers/aircrafts

I've got a good one for you.

My buddy and I were playing Dalian Plant last night (on the USMC side); we joined the server about halfway through the game. China had an upperhand in tickets, and all but one flag (the south east port). We captured the port spawn point with the helo, then hopped in the helo.

I TV'd one enemy helo before we were shot down by a J10. We were then destroyed twice by J10s trying to take off of the pad. He got in a TOW to take out a tank that was attacking the flag, while I spotted out the J10s for the F-35 guys. We took off in a buggy to capture the flag near the Chinese base, then got into that helo.

(I know this is a long story, so bear with me ) I TV'd another Chinese helo that was flying towards our newly acquired spawn point, then took out a tank that was also going towards the flag. By this point we had taken all of the flags and all that was left was the uncap.

We attacked the uncap and destroyed the helo twice on the pad (along with assorted infantry). I also took an AA that got us down to half health when I saw an obscure warning on the side of the screen that said:

PLAYER SHEPARD (couldn't even get my name right) WARNING FOR DUPLICATE NAME (or something to that effect)

I had never seen that statement, so I thought it was a fluke. Then, I see that our port helo spawn point was being captured, so we immediately headed over there. Someone on their team jumped in the cobra, and had started to take off when I took it out. Then I was kicked (Admin Decision) .

(Story almost over ) As I was rejoining the game, there was NO server message about anything dealing with helo spawns or attacking uncaps. When I got in, I asked the admin why I was banned, and apparently their server has an unannounced rule that you have to let enemy helos take off. I asked him at what height they can be engaged. He said 100m. I asked him why the J10 pilots didn't get kicked for attacking our helos on the pad. He said that it only refers to helo vs. helo...

I also saw several other players get kicked constantly for other various "abuses".

Until they come up with a kit that has a white flag as a weapon, if you jump in a vehicle you're free game in my book.

[dalmar72]

Re: Define baserape when engaging choppers/aircrafts

If my missle lock gets tone then it's ok to fire, I don't care where you are. I'm not however in the habit of bombing carriers or most uncaps for the quick infantry kills, but if I can keep the planes/choppers out of the air it's going to save my team tickets.

[SwissArmyShoe]

Re: Define baserape when engaging choppers/aircrafts

More times than not, when a person spawns they don't turn and fire. They get killed before they have a chance to do anything. So this is quite the reverse of what you perceive.

I'd say unless your team has all the cappable flags, attacking the uncap is pretty lame - even to keep jets or helos grounded. People who do that have a fear that the other pilot is better than they are, and will get owned in the skies. What's wrong with waiting 2 more seconds for a kill?

But what do I know, 50% of my kills are from actively hunting AFKers. L33t skillz.

I do believe I perceive it as it is. I'm aware of the disadvantage of spawning, trying to get your bearings and the split second delay. It was a figure of speech based on a situation. To be more specific, they COULD see you first though if your not looking, at which point you must fight back. But wait! no spawn kills. Or would that qualify as a spawn kill? Sad

And yes, like I said, I don't agree on nailing uncaps. But it's open season on normal spawns as far as I'm concerned. I have not had a player hesitate to shoot me upon spawning, not once, never.

[[SoP]d4rk4$$4$$n]

Re: Define baserape when engaging choppers/aircrafts

I generally wait for the helos/jets wheels to just leave ground, then i wait a second more to make them think they've got a chance of surviving, then i switch to missiles and blow them out of the sky.

As for infantry, i generally don't rape them unless they're doing it to us or if we've got all caps.

[Sub_zer0]

Re: Define baserape when engaging choppers/aircrafts

Its fair enough to attack a base as long as you dont go in the base becuase there are defences (e.g. 2 guns on carrier) that stop you people jsut dont use them so its fair enough to attack a base as long as you odnt go in it (unless specops)

[Sloi sauce]

Re: Define baserape when engaging choppers/aircrafts

See, I used to let them gain some altitude before shooting them down... but then I thought about it and realized it doesn't really make sense: all I'm doing is torturing them because they don't really stand a chance either way. So, I might as well save some time, shoot them now and proceed to other areas right away.

[Yoshimitsu[Swe]]

Re: Define baserape when engaging choppers/aircrafts

Thanks for all your thoughts.

To summon it up : It's a gray area, nothing is white or black. :)


/Yoshi

[imported_Jazza]

Re: Define baserape when engaging choppers/aircrafts

HA
i got banned from a company (internode) for destroying a plane that was flying past the MEC airfield on Oman. That was 2 months ago.
it seems that some admins have no clue what they're doing.
Its all in a matter of context

If the plane was under the red uncap symbol then you got banned for a good reason, I personally (on Internode) don't go ANYWHERE NEAR the uncap's.

[DarQu3]

Re: Define baserape when engaging choppers/aircrafts

i was thiking about it and if base attacking is against the rules WHY ARE THERE DEFENSES!!


isnt that saying in a way that you can because they have a means of defending themselves, or are they there incase there is a base raper and he wont stop? i dont know

[CensoredByGod]

Re: Define baserape when engaging choppers/aircrafts

I cant even understand why this is a topic (No offense to the op). Like DaR just pointed out, theres a lot of defenses on most uncaps so its not like they couldnt just kill you first.

Course there is the fact thats its Battlefield and all things considered balance is not its strongest asset. I try not to mess with the uncaps but if you fire on me Im gonna kill you.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Define baserape when engaging choppers/aircrafts

I cant even understand why this is a topic (No offense to the op). Like DaR just pointed out, theres a lot of defenses on most uncaps so its not like they couldnt just kill you first.

Course there is the fact thats its Battlefield and all things considered balance is not its strongest asset. I try not to mess with the uncaps but if you fire on me Im gonna kill you.

The uncaps are designed VERY poorly.

Id imgine a good uncap would be the last place youd want to storm into. Wired fense, 1-2 entrances max, TOWs, placed MGs. But no. In most cases its a failed attempt to actually defend the perimeter. All you can do is fight inside the base. Theres no "defense" there.