How to evade Mig-29 ?

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: How to evade Mig-29 ?

which dice branch do you work for?

The one that deals with telling them to release bad patches to piss you n00bs off!

We dont do it for the money, we do it for the love!

Revere, if you need to redicule my paintjob, without actually sinking your brain into the meaning of the picture, then youre a sad moron. I didnt make it to look pretty, I made it to explain why you think the flares often dont work.

[elstonieo]

Re: How to evade Mig-29 ?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ARS/Flares.jpg

lmao....great pic m8 put a smile on my face :laugh: cheers 4 the pic

i take it u work for dice canada

[Beerman]

Re: How to evade Mig-29 ?

Go canada!

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: How to evade Mig-29 ?

lmao....great pic m8 put a smile on my face :laugh: cheers 4 the pic

i take it u work for dice canada

Yeah man they pay well enough.

(Im taking the hint, my next Paint works will be visually more appealing LOL)

[imported_TheDragon]

Re: How to evade Mig-29 ?

biggest mistake young pilots make is to fly too long too level
you must constantly change your flight path and learn to peek behind you
(ie F11)
once some once gets a lock
rocking wings back and forth is a total waste of time
so is a full roll, and even most of the attempts to barrel rolls
ie using pitch and roll at the same time
you wind up sort of 'Cork screwing' through the air

flares? sometimes work -sometimes not
too unpredictable to be reliable

so , , , what is the answer?
hmmm , . . .
shall I tell?

you have to get you self OUT of your opponents 'field of view'
only way to do this is with pitch (ie pull back)
start a loop
but most times. do not finish it
(ie do not be predictable)
If I see you start to loop, I will just meet you on the other side
so. 1/2 way though the loop, roll and start your loop again

if opponent is close, you will lose him
if he is far and experienced, depending on his jet type
(all missiles are not equal)
you might be better off just sprinting away

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: How to evade Mig-29 ?

TopGunGreg, I can confirm that all missiles, details, lock-on angles and such are exactly the same. The only difference is lock-time. For example F15 has a 1 second timer, while F35B has a 1.5 second timer.

Otherwise, the most important tip has been said by you- you have to stick close to them so that you jump off and through their field of view faster.

[imported_TheDragon]

Re: How to evade MiG-29 ?

TopGunGreg, I can confirm that all missiles, details, lock-on angles and such are exactly the same. The only difference is lock-time. For example F15 has a 1 second timer, while F35B has a 1.5 second timer.

Otherwise, the most important tip has been said by you- you have to stick close to them so that you jump off and through their field of view faster.

hmmm
as I have not seen any code
I cannot deny your comments about missile codes
then perhaps it is the "attractiveness' of jets that are an issue?

our clan is 100% flight oriented
(sorry guys - it is what we enjoy)
and we OWN the skies 99% of the time
and ALL of us are UBER missile killers when flying the SU34
it seams to NEVER miss (all maps - Kubra, Oman, Clean Sweep)

f15 - occasional good shots
and f35 - seems haphazard at best
all to often - just flying off into nowhere
especially the f18 missiles
and the j1o owns the f18 in wake island
but we all pull our hair out j10- vs f18 in fushe pass
seams as though 90% of the j10- missiles go nuts
we even did hours of testing with canned scenarios and conclude that j10 missiles vs f18 in fushe pass were bugged

yes - these are all empirical observations - not supported by review of code

but as we have so many of us
with sooooooooooooooooooo many hours
and we all feel the same way
and as I said earlier, I am a trained fighter pilot and test pilot, and I also have these 'same feelings'
I still conclude there is SOMETING that makes the SU34 have the BEST offensive missile kill ratio

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: How to evade MiG-29 ?

hmmm
as I have not seen any code
I cannot deny your comments about missile codes
then perhaps it is the "attractiveness' of jets that are an issue?

our clan is 100% flight oriented
(sorry guys - it is what we enjoy)
and we OWN the skies 99% of the time
and ALL of us are UBER missile killers when flying the SU34
it seams to NEVER miss (all maps - Kubra, Oman, Clean Sweep)

f15 - occasional good shots
and f35 - seems haphazard at best
all to often - just flying off into nowhere
especially the f18 missiles
and the j1o owns the f18 in wake island
but we all pull our hair out j10- vs f18 in fushe pass
seams as though 90% of the j10- missiles go nuts
we even did hours of testing with canned scenarios and conclude that j10 missiles vs f18 in fushe pass were bugged

yes - these are all empirical observations - not supported by review of code

but as we have so many of us
with sooooooooooooooooooo many hours
and we all feel the same way
and as I said earlier, I am a trained fighter pilot and test pilot, and I also have these 'same feelings'
I still conclude there is SOMETING that makes the SU34 have the BEST offensive missile kill ratio

I cannot confirm, but I guess its the angles of missile launchers the DICE has coded in. Plus the hitbox mesh maybe? I have no clue, in code, what part the missile aims at as its chasing a jet. Some modders may shed some light.

[Holle]

Re: How to evade Mig-29 ?

Let's say Mig-29 is on my tail. Which maneuver is best to evade ? Split-S, barrell roll, immelman, etc. Should I reduce speed ? This is what Im trying to figure out. And yes, Im noob but trying to learn.

I suggest you go nose to the ground and hit afterburners. Or the ever popular...take a missle and bail.

[delemorte]

Re: How to evade Mig-29 ?

More often than not what happens is illustrated on this pic. Blue is MiG, red is F35B.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ARS/Flares.jpg.

That art work suxors!!!!!!

[Stiletto23]

Re: How to evade Mig-29 ?

Can someone share his tips on how to evade Mig-29 while in F-35 ? Hell, even when I use flares missiles still hit me. What are the advantages (if any) F-35 has over Mig-29, and how to use them in order to escape teh lock ?

Here is a tactic I use with some success. I fly a lot and have a 5 to 1 kill ratio and i mainly use the F-35.

Things to do against skilled pilots in J-10's and Mig-29's

1. Fly high! Take off from the carrier and try to hit 400-500 feet +. From that altitude do multiple banks, keep an eye on your altitude. Try to hang around their airfield because they will be back to re-arm. Scan for the planes below, if you see them -- come in for the kill. Fire 1 missle, let them drop their flares, do your best to stay on the tail then launch at least 4 missles. Uusually you will get the kill against a 29 but sometimes, every missle will miss the J-10 but that's because Dice is full of idiot programmers who didnt do their jobs when creating the J-10.

2. When evading, I agree with the split-s times 5. But usually you can perform 2 or 3, then immediately climb to 600+ feet and you should be out of danger.

More tips:

Follow their wind trails when you can...

If they pull up hard and keep losing you, just immediately pull up and continue climbing, perform a split S and level out, go into banking mode again from high altitude. Trying to follow will more often get you killed against a skilled pilot. Patience is the key..... Like a "Stiletto" viper, wait for your target to present themself, then go in for the kill.

-Stiletto

DiSiNTeGRaTioN! - CHiCaGo
69.65.15.45

[HAWK503]

Re: How to evade Mig-29 ?

The one that deals with telling them to release bad patches to piss you n00bs off!

We dont do it for the money, we do it for the love!

Revere, if you need to redicule my paintjob, without actually sinking your brain into the meaning of the picture, then youre a sad moron. I didnt make it to look pretty, I made it to explain why you think the flares often dont work.

i hope your mother dies in a freak yachting incident.
nahh your not serius...are you?

oh and i find the best and most effective way to use flares is to deploy early. deploying flares after your opponent has launched a missile just doesn't work. And when possible release your flares above you (flares stay in enemies HUD longer, thus giving you more time to escape).

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: How to evade Mig-29 ?

i hope your mother dies in a freak yachting incident.
nahh your not serius...are you?

Man :laugh:


:laugh:

Ok. Im just kidding.

[HAWK503]

Re: How to evade Mig-29 ?

Just checking, but you got me worried for a minute then.

[Elbryan]

Re: How to evade Mig-29 ?

When I have to avoid a missiles on an airplane I get off my airplane and open a parachute ..
After I suicide and I take again my airplane..
In this way nobody would gain kill point..