High Points Servers

[P_Static_2]

Re: High Points Servers

my answer has to be vague as I didnt write this version so I dont know what they had in their head when they wrote it..

keep on topic please

Your such a hardass.

[DakotaDoc64]

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HPS are quite easy to define. They are any server that doesn't play the game as intended. eg knife/pistol servers, flag hopping servers where US must keep the Hotel flag at all times to stop the ticket bleed then players repeatedly cap flag after flag and may not attack each other.

They are usually 16 players on 64 player maps but that alone is not a HPS "as long as" they play the game the way its intended.

The trouble I see now is this. As IS didn't write this ROE, all questions about it need to be answered by EA/DICE and you know what problems that will cause, we will never get an answer.

I agree though that they did need to clarify the HPS as to what exactly they are but to date they have been the types of servers I outlined.

I would agree. If you want to term servers that have 64 size maps on 16 slots you could call them High Score as in your final round score, not High Points. People that play those server will have a lower Score Per Minute. It will likely take you over 2 hours to get over 200 points. Your SPM will fall vs maps with 64/64.

But for some, including me, a 64 size map on a 32 slot is nice, it opens up just a tad and adds one more flag for most maps. 48 on 64 size is perfect for less lag and round score IMO. But that is my old computers limit.

Also what happens when you are on a 64/64 server and less then 20 players join the entire match. Should you then worry that you have been in (technically yet unknowingly) a High Points server and would loose your stats?

I played in BFROE's 64 slot ranked server the other day. This very thing happed. Most of the time there were less then 16 players. Was I then in a High Points Server?

What about EA/DICE plan to drop the minimum players to start a round? Soon I understand it will take only 8 to start a 32 to 64 slot server. That is what I understand. 4 V 4 If the server stays at that number of people they will rarely see each other. But 5 V 5 in a 64 is little different.

No, "High Points Servers" should be defined as those that limit/prevent flag caps to improve scores and make the match longer, not based on slot/map size.

All of this is why we have a round time limit on our server.

[<EsP>Fury]

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feel the same as u man. i mean i thought the objective of a game was to have fun pure and simple. having to keep a careful watch on what servers u join and worrying about things uve done in the past that may or may not have broken a set of rules that is unspecific as a whole really takes alot of the potiential "fun" out of the game. i know when the ROE was established it was done with the best intentions and i commend EA for doing so. however it created more problems that it fixed.

if EA wants to get serious about busting cheaters they should take 3 steps im sure everyone in the bf2 community will agree are necessary and beneficial for the proper enforcement of the rules.

1) Go after the servers themselves that clearly state high points or knife and pistol in the title. (it is unjust to not to punish the server owners that provide the means to cheat just because they pay a monthly fee.)

2) Revise the ROE and and make it crystal clear as to what a rule violation is. also define terms such as high points in a way even the "village idiot" would understand.

3) Make it possible to view the ROE in a place that is highly frequented by new players so as not to cause confusion later on.(the Tbf2 forums or the site itself would be a start.)

one final point/ idea i would only propose is that EA cut its losses with past violaters and concentrate on the current violaters because chances are if the violaters are intentionally cheating they will still be dioing it. doing this would not only make it easier for the ROE police to do an immense job that they have before them, but also benefit people who made mistakes in the past but have since learned better than to do things such as padding and visiting the illegal servers.

Atlast a man with a plan!!!

This is exacltly what is needed.

It's a perfect 10 SASSBACK

[~WPN~Major Ursa]

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I my opinion, it is pretty clear what a high point server is. IF the server name has "High Points" or "Knife/Pistol" in it, then you can bet it is a padder's paradise. IF you have a server message stating "No Armor" or "No Arty" or excluding anything that a "normal" server allows, then you are in a server that is deliberately breaking the ROE and you could be subject to a stat wipe for playing on it. It all goes back to the part about "playing the game contrary to the original intent in order to gain an advantage" part.

As far as EA/DICE going after the server instead of the player, well I have heard of server providers losing their privilage of hosting a Ranked server. It does happen. The hard part is that unless a server gets reported, EA/DICE assumes that paying parties won't willfully violate the contract. Ranked servers make money for EA/DICE AND the server provider. Way more money than unranked servers. So, unless someone reports a bad egg, EA/DICE assume that the server provider is not intentionally out to lose revenue.

Player's stats are easy to see, server logs are not. If you get pissed at a padder, you can fill out a complaint and that player will get looked at hard. Since "high point" servers can generate "high points" for those that frequent them, who is going to turn them in? Not the folks that are getting all of the points. So those servers hang around until somebody makes a complaint.

[ColdCircuitCash]

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the sole reason i go into K/P servers anymore is to piss people off with constant defib kills. it's not really stat padding since there's no medal/badge for it. Plus you get the "OOO defib kill" comments.

[JonnyMacFred102]

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the sole reason i go into K/P servers anymore is to piss people off with constant defib kills. it's not really stat padding since there's no medal/badge for it. Plus you get the "OOO defib kill" comments.

Hmm, getting defib kills in a knife and pistol server is not rare and i have never been commented on one. It's in regular servers that you get comments.

That will not piss people off, using a tank, explosives or guns will piss people off in a knife and pistol server. But what's the point when you just get banned anyway.

It is statpadding even if there is no medal, since you can get a lot of points doing it. I have gotten over 50 points just using shock paddles... It is still statpadding, whatever you think.

[RocketChild]

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the sole reason i go into K/P servers anymore is to piss people off with constant defib kills. it's not really stat padding since there's no medal/badge for it. Plus you get the "OOO defib kill" comments.

LOL! K/P HA! C4 FTW in K/P servers!

(you'll never catch me on a k/p server though)

[JonnyMacFred102]

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LOL! K/P HA! C4 FTW in K/P servers!

(you'll never catch me on a k/p server though)

Well let's see. Give me an ip and i will be there in an instant.

[RocketChild]

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Well let's see. Give me an ip and i will be there in an instant.

Well, if you found me on one, it would be unranked. FTW!

[mcarda]

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My clanserver is advertised as "24/7 Karkand - High Points" but it is not really. It has the correct tickets, 32 player map size for 30 slots. Does this break the ROE in any way?

[JonnyMacFred102]

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My clanserver is advertised as "24/7 Karkand - High Points" but it is not really. It has the correct tickets, 32 player map size for 30 slots. Does this break the ROE in any way?

Apparently not... since there is no specification on what is a high points server, it is legal at teh moment.

[W_Parmenter]

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Player's stats are easy to see, server logs are not. If you get pissed at a padder, you can fill out a complaint and that player will get looked at hard. Since "high point" servers can generate "high points" for those that frequent them, who is going to turn them in? Not the folks that are getting all of the points. So those servers hang around until somebody makes a complaint.

Anyone who plays this game knows where these servers are, they're listed in the browser. Surely someone with EA and/or BFROE plays this game and has seen them listed, is it too much for them to do some investigating themselves? If someone spent a few hours a week looking into them they'd be gone in no time. Sure, there'd still be some which don't advertise and wouldn't be found out until someone happened to stumble onto it and reported it but at least the ones which flaunt violating the ROE would be gone and they're the ones which undermine people's confidence that EA takes cheating/padding seriously.

But what's really disturbing is that a group of people sat down to write rules outlawing high points servers but didn't think to define what one is.

[RocketChild]

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Hey ROE,

Any word back from EA on what the official definition is with HPS?

[RocketChild]

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Bump? any new word back from EA, ROE? About the definitions of HPS?

[bob332]

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ok, i just did a search with the ingame browser and found a couple K/P servers. i took down the ip and had a look through bf2 tracker. i found this person - RIOfighter to have over 700pts in a game. after looking at his stats his top victim and opponent are the same person. this person is listed as a Lieutenant Colonel and 98% of the way towards his next rank. is ea/dice going to wipe his stats for playing on the K/P servers knowingly since he has been around since 1/12/05?

if there are consequences for playing on these type of server, especially the ones that are listed in the title as K/P ONLY, they need to be handed out across the board. giving veterans a break is not cool as they know what they are doing is wrong. newbs need to be warned.

i can't understand why there is all this conversation going on when the answer is simple - in all reality, how many points can an individual get in a given game playing the correct way? 200-300max? people who routinely get 400-700 pts in a game obviously aren't playing by the same rules as i do as i have never seen anybody in game that is run correctly get over 200pts.