[xXx]gh0st's view on Infantry Only (IO)

Re: [xXx]gh0st's view on Infantry Only (IO)

way to balance medics - give them 1 reload only. it is simple change, change that does not involve anything more complicated than .con file editing. dice can do it.

problem with medic is that it is [considering infantry] ultimate kit. best offensive [ak101/ak47/g36e/l85] and defensive abilities [medpack/paddles/long sprint]
while defensive abilities are IMHO valid, the offensive needs major and faat nerf. period. one spare magazine [changing their weapons to smgs is better, but people paid for their unlocks so it is not an option]. no grenades.

nerf the f.. medics. and why oh f.. why medics, not the assault got the g36e?

btw. why play assault? only reason i know is the GL, if you are skilled with it..

Re: [xXx]gh0st's view on Infantry Only (IO)

Whew...

After reading the past 2 pages since I came back, I have a few things to say.

First of all, and no disrespect intended, but this isn't Planewhore's thread. I started it, so stop bitching directly at him because he agrees with me.

Now, incase you all didn't notice yourselves, I will show you my stats.
Lets take a moment to look at them, shall we?

http://bf2s.com/player/43389566/

Now, the first thing you should notice, is that NONE of my kits or vehicles have at least a 1.0 KDR. At all. I don't spend my time "whoring", as it were.

Second thing you should notice here is that I have 115 Hours played as a Medic. A Medic who has been registered since June 11th 2005 at 4am. (got the MP demo as soon as it was available) which is obviously before FINAL RELEASE.

Now, it should be quite apparent to you all that I am a TEAM PLAYER. I've always loved medic, even in Wolfenstein and in Enemy Territory. Not because I love to stat pad (btw that didn't exist in any FPS until lovely BF2), but because I generally like to be part of a good squad. Also note that most of my time played is as of Squad Leader.

Not to mention, the most hours played on any map for me is Karkand. But look at my tank kills. Nothing compared to tankwhores. At all.

So before you go bitching and moaning about how I'm upset cause I have to complain about the people who like teamwork and that I'm all about my Tank and/or Jet, learn to do some research before opening your mouths.

Now, onto my actual response to all of this.

Knowing that I am a team player and I generally LOVE infantry much much more than anything else in this game, I know that IO will simply ruin the game. Now I'm not saying that YOU are going to be the cause. I'm sure most of who like IO are pretty legit and I can respect that, as I am a fellow ground-pounder, but it's really going to be hell with all the padders.

Try to understand that I care not for the vehicles, the padding, the whoring. I just want to play as a team/squad effectively. Now if that means hiding from a tank, or switching to AT to take them out, so be it. I love the challange. As Planewhore put it earlier, it truely will be "BF2 Easy Mode", and to have that
crap ranked, it's just unfathomable to me.

Another thing to note is because I am so into TEAMWORK/INFANTRY, I play on PRMM servers, which are unranked. Why? Because frankly, I don't care about stats. I didn't download the demo because of stats, and I sure as hell didn't buy the game for stats. I bought the game because I absolutely loved 1942, the expansions (kinda), and BF Vietnam. Because it was the only game at its time to have an FPS with VEHICLES (even though I hardly use them).

Are you all starting to see my point here?

I think I can consider myself a patient man. I have played this game for over a year now and they still haven't fixed the simple bugs that really annoy everyone, they still haven't added new gamemodes (all the mods I play have awesome modes, it's not hard to implement), they still haven't truely listened to the community, and all they can seem to do is nerf everything. And of course now we have this IO mode.

Total. Hypocrytical. BS.

This post is starting to get long lol, I will leave you all on that note and hope that my words don't offend anyone. I did not start this post to bash people who love infantry. Remember guys, I'm one of you!

:salute:

[18Zulukiller]

Re: [xXx]gh0st's view on Infantry Only (IO)

don''t lie so much

your avarage kdr with guns is only 0.97

Look mate untill i joined the totalbf2 clan now the totalclan (which im no longer apart of) i played on everysingle type of map and if anything i avoided karkand (actually favourite map is dragon valley for the infantry v vehical action). You play around 500 hours mainly as infantry on the vehical orianted maps and see what your k/d ratio with guns looks like youve got jets blowing the **** out of you constantly artillary all over the place a **** load more apc's and tanks. Also ive been playing this game since the day it was released in the uk so not only did i have all that **** to put up with but back in the day the BH was the angle of pissing death unlike what it is now a toothless flying bus. You can look at my stats all day long but you wont find a single stat anywere telling you how many times ive died and what killed me. If you honestly think im full of **** add me to xfire and play with me xfire = zulukiller thats the only way you would have the right to judge me.

Re: [xXx]gh0st's view on Infantry Only (IO)

Fact: The medic is the most powerful class in the game

Fact: You don't need engineers, Spec Ops, AT, assault, sniper or any of the other kits in IO mode

Fact: The only class you need/want on an IO server is the medic

Fact: A team composed of nothing but medics on a regular server would be helpless against the armor and thus is not a valid strategy (this is a good thing)

Fact: A team composed of nothing but medics on an IO server is unmatched offensive and defensive force with nothing to counter it but other medics (this is a very bad thing)

Simply put balance in IO can never be achieved, it's virtually impossible. No matter how much you try and debate it IO mode is nothing more than an easier way to play Battlefield 2 and to pad up your SPM and KDR.

I can manage 80-100 points as a medic in 15ish minutes on a regular game of 64 player vanilla BF2 on just about any map. The only thing that slows my advance and the speed at which I gain points is the armored vehicles and how many medics I'm currently with. Because I have to rely on other teammates as anti-tank or what have you to deal with those threats - in other words I have to rely on teamwork and other teammates to be effective. With armor to deal with among other threats we need AT, engineers, snipers ect.. and thus we have far less people playing medic (making it much more difficult to find a revive and as a result slowing down a players kill rate drastically).

I can only imagine with those limitation removed not only would getting that amount of points be a whole lot easier but because I don't spend precious time waiting for armored to be destroyed, having to avoid it, or waiting for a revive (that never comes)t my points would go up probably in to the 130-150 range on a decent game.

Running with a full squad of medics on an IO server you'd pretty much never die. That's the same method players use now to get great infantry KDR on regular servers but without having to deal without vehicles it's much more effective.

Re: [xXx]gh0st's view on Infantry Only (IO)

Im not coming on any side here but im going to tell the truth and nothing but the truth ive been playing the 1.4 beta2 patch on alot of IO servers.
The majority of the time the whole team is made up of medics and snipers and maybe the odd support guy. You do infact get entire squads of medics and they are near impossible to stop unless your in a squad full of medics yourself or have some kind of ambush or trap planned for them (claymoores/c4). Theres also massive nade spamming i played several rounds yesterday of wake & jalalabad were barley anyone was shooting EVERY SINGLE PERSON WAS SPAMMING NADES. Both teams were getting together in large groups fighting over one particular flag and doing nothing but spamming nades and spamming ammo bags, for a good 10 minutes minimum not a single shot was fired by either team in one round. And as for the scores average score id say was about 60/70 with people at the top getting between just under 200 points and over 120 points in a around. Includeing me screw the G36E the L85A1 is king in Infantry only (when playing all the maps) and thats a fact nearly everyone that got the top spot while i was playing were useing the L85A1. Infact it was so dam easy useing the L85A1 (one round i got 57 kills & 8 deaths) i gave up on it and changed to the DOA 12 for a challange. The most important person on the battlefield by a long way is the commander if youve got a noob commader running around fighting instead of commanding your screwed. The commander might not have all his normal tools but because of the way everyones playing the game you need to order you squads into the right posistions and encourage them into doing whats needed or youll get your arse handed to you.

EDIT: i forgot to mention the insane walking times on big maps you spend nearly all your time walking and never bloody fighting.

NOTE:- All of the above is in my IMO and is what ive experienced playing IO while useing the 1.4Beta2 patch.

don''t lie so much

your avarage kdr with guns is only 0.97

Re: [xXx]gh0st's view on Infantry Only (IO)

Why infantry only dont have artillery? Got in the roof of hotel in road to halalabababalaa and maked 19kills-0death as sniper. Comander droped supplys all the round I was invinsible no one could take the hotel flag. Is this balance?

[18Zulukiller]

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Im not coming on any side here but im going to tell the truth and nothing but the truth ive been playing the 1.4 beta2 patch on alot of IO servers.
The majority of the time the whole team is made up of medics and snipers and maybe the odd support guy. You do infact get entire squads of medics and they are near impossible to stop unless your in a squad full of medics yourself or have some kind of ambush or trap planned for them (claymoores/c4). Theres also massive nade spamming i played several rounds yesterday of wake & jalalabad were barley anyone was shooting EVERY SINGLE PERSON WAS SPAMMING NADES. Both teams were getting together in large groups fighting over one particular flag and doing nothing but spamming nades and spamming ammo bags, for a good 10 minutes minimum not a single shot was fired by either team in one round. And as for the scores average score id say was about 60/70 with people at the top getting between just under 200 points and over 120 points in a around. Includeing me screw the G36E the L85A1 is king in Infantry only (when playing all the maps) and thats a fact nearly everyone that got the top spot while i was playing were useing the L85A1. Infact it was so dam easy useing the L85A1 (one round i got 57 kills & 8 deaths) i gave up on it and changed to the DOA 12 for a challange. The most important person on the battlefield by a long way is the commander if youve got a noob commader running around fighting instead of commanding your screwed. The commander might not have all his normal tools but because of the way everyones playing the game you need to order you squads into the right posistions and encourage them into doing whats needed or youll get your arse handed to you.

EDIT: i forgot to mention the insane walking times on big maps you spend nearly all your time walking and never bloody fighting.

NOTE:- All of the above is in my IMO and is what ive experienced playing IO while useing the 1.4Beta2 patch.

Re: [xXx]gh0st's view on Infantry Only (IO)

my mistake - i meant - HEALH not ammo..

and no, assault, at, engineer and specop are not going to be played. because all that matters in IO mode [killing infantry] can be done better by medic [with unlimited health and best rifles in the game]

as ia said somewehere else - i like IO mode, i think it was missing this game from day one. maybe because of that servers are going to play more 16p maps. kubra 16p in IO mode - pure carnage [and medic whorage :)]

I beg to differ... somehow i cant help but play assault when im playing IO mode, i feel most comfortable with that class in this gameplay it seems.

Maps like Dalian etc can be a bit of a pain walking so much but that usually only happens at the beginning of a round. However Dalian seems to be transformed in IO Mode its excellent.

Re: [xXx]gh0st's view on Infantry Only (IO)

Get out of your jet and fight like a man. My proposal is that anyone with obscene hours and kills in a jet or tank should only be able to use a knife in infantry combat so they can know what it is like to be at a disadvantage.

Re: [xXx]gh0st's view on Infantry Only (IO)

my mistake - i meant - HEALH not ammo..

and no, assault, at, engineer and specop are not going to be played. because all that matters in IO mode [killing infantry] can be done better by medic [with unlimited health and best rifles in the game]

as ia said somewehere else - i like IO mode, i think it was missing this game from day one. maybe because of that servers are going to play more 16p maps. kubra 16p in IO mode - pure carnage [and medic whorage :)]

[System]

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IO only is not going to be fun, as long as medic is so F.. overpowered class.

it has sprint, it has unlimited ammo, it has best guns in the game. is there any point to NOT use the medic in IO mode? DICE, please do something with this, or ill be back to playing medic, just like all others [as im not affraid to say, that i like scoring nice scores :)]

i dont know which mod your playing but medic does not have unlimited ammo. i think you mean support there buddy. but in the context that you die before you've finished all your clips, well then that makes sense. but then again, how often does one finish all there ammo asides from nades, c4, at rockets, at mines, and claymores?

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i really dont understand why you are all complaining. yes medic will be a great class in IO mode but so will support, AT, spec ops, and sniper. there you go, your 4 main classes.

and the simple solution is to not play on an IO mode server if you dont like the sounds of it. it is not like someone is forcing you to play on it. im sure there will be normal servers with vehicles still around and plenty of them at that.

just out of shlts and giggles, imagine playing wake on IO mode. lol

Re: [xXx]gh0st's view on Infantry Only (IO)

IO only is not going to be fun, as long as medic is so F.. overpowered class.

it has sprint, it has unlimited ammo, it has best guns in the game. is there any point to NOT use the medic in IO mode? DICE, please do something with this, or ill be back to playing medic, just like all others [as im not affraid to say, that i like scoring nice scores :)]

and about PW problems. take the blue pill. it is your point of view, we have other. get used to that. btw. how much of that medic time youve spent in vechicle anyway?

DICE had to make this mode ranked, otherwise nobody would play this. while i dont like the way it was implemented [removing all vechicles sux] i still understand why it was put into. some maps are realy spoiled with whores. and while some might blah blah about skill and avoiding [ie. standing entire round on the airfield waiting for a plane, this way you realy avoid tanks :)] there are places where armour simply spoils the fun.

and btw. battlefield is about variety, not vechicles. there are games about vechicles - like mechwarrior series, battefield is about variety - ability to play a grunt or a driver.

[Chris_Redfield]

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No no no, I just got to the root of this problem. IO is just a fancy gamename for "Karkand with no armor mode"! Brilliant.

Re: [xXx]gh0st's view on Infantry Only (IO)

join a server after downloading admin plug ins for an hour

Haven't encountered that yet. Maybe patience isn't one of your virtues. Or maybe you're just looking for excuses to justify why you want stat pad mode.

wait till the current round ends, run around for two minutes, get killed, sit there till next round

Ahh now we're getting to the root of the problem. In a game where skill is much more of a factor you get slaughtered. In that case I feel sorry for you. This goes right in line with a player wanting IO mode. Can't handle vehicles so they whine for IO mode, can't handle a heavily skilled based game so they don't play it. Both games have a timer after death, Battlefields just happens to be shorter. But if you don't die you don't have a problem.

BF2 a modern FPS

Modern in what regard? The source engine was released only a short time before Battlefield 2. Mods like Day of Defeat are technically newer than BF2. Now if you're talking modern as in.. vehicles. If that's what you meant then heh that comment is amusing.

fast paced

Counterstrike is much more fast paced than BF2, UT even moreso than CS.

easy action

You don't need to mention that you like easy games more than once. By now we all know you like easy games, and they don't get much easier than Battlefield 2 without vehicles.

that isn't boring with a lot of waiting

Going to be more waiting in BF2 IO than in CS:S if you're a ****ty player. Because in IO mode you're going to have to walk to distant spawns.. yeah have fun with that.

can jump in any number of vehicles if I want

LOL the IO mode fanboy talking about how much he loves "any number of vehicles" So which is it.. IO mode or vanilla BF2? Let me guess.. IO mode if you can't get in the APC and vanilla BF2 when you do. Can't have it both ways.

all with pretty graphics.

I like the way the source engine looks personally. Moreso with HDR lighting and the fact I can run max AA and ASF and never have it drop below 90 frames.

[Chris_Redfield]

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Gaming news today.

*Battlefield 2 official 1.4 patch will include "Infantry Only" mode, and new content, such as smoe grenades for everyone, flashbangs for everyone, disabling all classes except medic. DICE will also include 3 new maps in the patch, Dust, Aztec and Dust 2.

*Unreat Tournament 2004 developers came to a conclusion that in order to gain more profit, the new patch (1.2 GBs) will add "Opposing Strike" mod, with maps such as Deo Dusto, Deo Aztecio and Neo Dusto Duo.

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Why would anyone want to play a game without threats that actually make the game what it really is? Battlefield game with vehicles. If you have a problem with spawncamping tanks, JIHAAD JEEP is an answer or even better, spawn at the next flag and for gods sake take the AT launcher with you...

This is all so ridiculous.