F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

lies lies .... it depends on the skill of the pilot . not his craft , it obvisly shows ur all noobs of the air , i go on wake get in the f-35 and own j-20's chopper....they may be able to turn faster buf it you no how to evade and get out of a dogfight then your fine this is pathetic , let DICE deal with some real issues

:shakehead

[Blades]

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

lies lies .... it depends on the skill of the pilot . not his craft , it obvisly shows ur all noobs of the air , i go on wake get in the f-35 and own j-20's chopper....they may be able to turn faster buf it you no how to evade and get out of a dogfight then your fine this is pathetic , let DICE deal with some real issues

k.....you dont even know the name of the opposing plane.....

I just went 48 for 0 in the F35 on Wake Island and I even know this is unbalanced. Ya know, I dont really know how you got in Sir....We usually base admittance off of intelligent posts (not spelling or grammar) that have valid points.

[Lavadisk]

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

we eed to tune UP the f35. not nerf the j10.

if thats not possible what ever will adress the issue will help.

[Unfocused]

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

Simply make the missiles for all jets act the same.

With a J-10 you will most likely hit a turning target while on its tail. The other way around, though, the F35's rockets will most likely miss (1 or 2 out of 6 will hit).

[Vintageologist]

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

lies lies .... it depends on the skill of the pilot . not his craft , it obvisly shows ur all noobs of the air , i go on wake get in the f-35 and own j-20's chopper....they may be able to turn faster buf it you no how to evade and get out of a dogfight then your fine this is pathetic , let DICE deal with some real issues

You, my friend, are a moron. How is it that if I fly with the F35, I get killed lots and if I use the J10, I almost never get killed? How "great" can you be? If you do a turn and the J10 behind you can do the same turn twice as fast, I'm not sure what you want to do...

But I agree on the others here, don't nerf the J10 but make the F35 better because the MiG29 is also far superior.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

You, my friend, are a moron. How is it that if I fly with the F35, I get killed lots and if I use the J10, I almost never get killed? How "great" can you be? If you do a turn and the J10 behind you can do the same turn twice as fast, I'm not sure what you want to do...

But I agree on the others here, don't nerf the J10 but make the F35 better because the MiG29 is also far superior.

I wouldnt say "far". It is superior, however, in most maps its 2 F35Bs against 1 MiG. Teamwork kills MiG very, very easily.

[Vintageologist]

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

I wouldnt say "far". It is superior, however, in most maps its 2 F35Bs against 1 MiG. Teamwork kills MiG very, very easily.

It's only 2 F35s against one MiG at Gulf Of Oman. But yes, in that case you are right. And you are also right that it's not as extreme as with the J10, but still the F35 is always inferior and that sucks somehow.

[Lavadisk]

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

I wouldnt say "far". It is superior, however, in most maps its 2 F35Bs against 1 MiG. Teamwork kills MiG very, very easily.

thats true but thats not balance. a normal 1 vs 1 should be equal.

[colony]

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I see all these complaints about the F35, but no one says anything about the F15E?

The F15E feels like you are trying to fly a huge skyscraper around.

Every US jet is inferior to enemy jets in this game in turn radius by a huge margin

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

thats true but thats not balance. a normal 1 vs 1 should be equal.

By your logic, its 2 F35Bs vs 1 MiG should be 2:1 in win/lose ratio? I disagree.

The way I see it, F35B are multipurpose, so you give them a choice to excel at something and suck at other, or create a superbeast that excels at all.

It's only 2 F35s against one MiG at Gulf Of Oman. But yes, in that case you are right. And you are also right that it's not as extreme as with the J10, but still the F35 is always inferior and that sucks somehow.

Correct. F35B isnt a pure dogfighther though. They are excellent ATS planes with excellent gunning platform, very nice bomb spread and awesome reaction time to the controls. I wouldnt mind reducing its turn radius a bit, boost up that afterburner a little and increase roll speed. However, you have to accept that USMC has F18, as a pure dogfighter, with F15 as a pure bomber, where F35B is a mix of two. Therefore I really dont feel that sad for its poorer characteristics against pure fighters such as MiG and J10.

Youve got Zatar, with 2 MiGs starting up against 2 F35Bs, and almost all PLA maps with 2 fighters vs 2 fighters, with PLA ones vastly superior to the F35Bs. BUT, you also have the 2 Essex towers working for the F35B, so its somewhat balanced. Ive created a long post dealing with jets maneuvering balance in details with multiple solutions to the problem, in DICE feedback thread, go check it out.

As you noticed, Im not touching the obvious flaws and inbalancies in the missile locks, I leave that to DICE because that is a bug, a real problem, whereas the problems with jets can be overcome with skill, luck (LOL), some awareness and a lot of teamwork, so Id class them as secondary issues. Doesnt mean Im not aware that jets need to be balanced for the sake of gameplay enjoyment, however, most people dont see the bigger picture so vast majority of suggestions are plain wrong.

Colony- F15 was probably the ONLY bomber that DICE got right :laugh: , its slow, it has a horrible turn radius, slow reaction et cetera.


Have you guys noticed that USMC starts mostly at a disadvantage and has a lot more to lose in a map than other teams? Its as if the USMC team is for players one step above others, while the PLA and MEC are with a "handicap"?

[Vintageologist]

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Colony- F15 was probably the ONLY bomber that DICE got right :laugh: , its slow, it has a horrible turn radius, slow reaction et cetera.

You do know that the F15 is an air superiority fighter faster than both the J-10 and MiG-29 in r/l?

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

You do know that the F15 is an air superiority fighter faster than both the J-10 and MiG-29 in r/l?

You do know that were talking about a GAME and in GAME TERMS the Su-30, Su-34, F-15 are BOMBERS and thus SLOWER, LESS MANEUVERABLE, WORSE in dogfighting terms than fighters, right? Right?

Dont teach a daddy how to date women, especially when youre a virgin. If you know what I mean.

[Vintageologist]

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

You do know that were talking about a GAME and in GAME TERMS the Su-30, Su-34, F-15 are BOMBERS and thus SLOWER, LESS MANEUVERABLE, WORSE in dogfighting terms than fighters, right? Right?

Dont teach a daddy how to date women, especially when youre a virgin. If you know what I mean.

Haha it's used as ground attack plane in BF2 but it is never a bomber, the B2 is a bomber X-D Ok enough of that crap, still, the BF2 F15 should be at least bit more maneuverable...

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

Haha it's used as ground attack plane in BF2 but it is never a bomber, the B2 is a bomber X-D Ok enough of that crap, still, the BF2 F15 should be at least bit more maneuverable...

Listen, do you hear people say "ground attack fighter", "air superiority fighter", "attack plane" in Battlefield 2 OR do you hear people actually say "bomber"? Because I hear people say "bomber". I KNOW what a F15 is in real life, but Im not dragging that **** in here just to make myself look "smrat" and educated in real life... erm, yeah.

If its not a bomber in BF2, then what is it? You just said its used as a ground attack plane, which successfully makes it a bomber, right?

Youve successfully made an *** out of yourself, let this be an educational opportunity for you, that you shall not forget.

As for F15 made more maneuverable, its a friggin bomber, not a fighter (pun intended), if anything, the other jets should be toned down a bit. F15 is worst of all 3 bombers, and in the big picture it deserves that status because idealistically, bombers are less maneuverable, however, other 2 are a lot more maneverable AND they have better fighters, compared to the F35B.

In air force, USMC is inferior, in BF2. I wouldnt want DICE to touch the maneuverability (turn radius in particular), but if they would like to change something, agility would be great. Like F35B holds great roll speed, they could add such upgrade to the F15 aswell.

[$kelet0r]

Re: F-35b Vs J-10... Please Fix!

Haha it's used as ground attack plane in BF2 but it is never a bomber, the B2 is a bomber X-D Ok enough of that crap, still, the BF2 F15 should be at least bit more maneuverable...

THE f15e drops bombs
therefore it is a bomber
irrefutable logic