Raping bases and other rants.

[mizu]

Re: Raping bases and other rants.

nobody say anything about taking the F35B and bail over the main land. 99.99999% of the peeps that managed to get their hands on the F35B will go spawn rape china airfield, duh??!!! or chase the J-10. duh!!!! x 100

[ActiveMatx]

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I hate spawn campers no matter what map we are talking about.
Like i just got out of a server where people were spamming grenades at the spawn at karkand. This is at the hotel spot. Game just started, so US did not have any flags. So naturally, everyone (mec) spawns at the hotel. People are on the other side of all that buildings and throwing massive amounts of grenades over. Whenever you spawn, within seconds you dead. You cant even run for cover. This is very popular on 64 player servers.

I dont ever see it on 16, player severs.... not sure if i seen it on 32 player servers either... but i hate those karkand 64 player server games. No one really plays strategically at all. Its like one big mess. Anyone disagree? If you do, please post your reasons.... cuz I think its just a big mess!

[12:oc7ock]

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you mean the little isalnd with the boats we were just discussing being worthless fodder for the tanks on the shore, snipers on the shore or J-10's watchign the 1/2 mile trials..ok sounds like a plan, ill meet you by the mounted AA thats actually a test target for J-10 bombs.

i spawn rape all Motherfu**ing day, and I can hold my own in A2A combat as well. But the idea of giving my enemy any leadway to be a nice guy or for some sort of competition is asinine. Fu** the enemy.

[Kayback]

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i spawn rape all Motherfu**ing day, and I can hold my own in A2A combat as well. But the idea of giving my enemy any leadway to be a nice guy or for some sort of competition is asinine. Fu** the enemy.

Except for the fact we aren't the "enemy" we are fellow PC gamers.

Idiot.

And because we are playing on public servers we are playing for fun, not professionally.

So where the hell is the harm in giving a little break so the game cam play to a 3-0 win instead of a 200-0 spawn camp fest?

Its not like you are commiting treason by giving the "enemy" a foothold. You are however giving everyone on the map a more fun chance at an enjoyable game.

I do understand it is "Oooh, must kill as many enemy as possible" but things like spawn raping the USMC carrier happens so often it isn't simply a case of "your team played crap". It's a case of the maps are poorly set up and it leads to spawn raping too easily.

In something like Karkand, if you are getting your *** raped in the first two uncaps as USMC, THEN you are playing badly. There are 2 other spawn points and you can out manouver the badguys, as well has having equal armour to back you up.

IN things like Wake, well you are screwed right at the beginging. As the other player said the AAA is simply a weapons test system for the aircraft, the boats are stupidly slow, weak and easy to see, the heli's are just as bad, and not only do you have to deal with death from aircraft, helicopters, snipers, ERYX's and tanks, there are also water borne APC's to spread the love around. What do you have? Nothing.

If you spawn AT to kill the vehicles, you get bombed/artilleried/strafed if you spawn in the hold, you get killed by the APC's and heli's. If you climb into an AAA site, oh well, I'll send flowers.

What would be cool is some sort of moveable spawn point, preferably one that was undetectable. Like a minisub or something. Or like the airborne insertion from Operation Market Garden in BF1942.

Yes it DOES sound whiney of me, but this is simply because to break out of a carrier spawn rape you need everyone to operate as a team, almost flawlessly, while a couple of guys in aircraft, operating mostly indipendantly can bottle up a whole army.

Idiotic.

A valid tactic in real life when you are fighting for the life of your country, but we are playing a game.

It's as if 3 people could crowd the entire opposing team into a corner and hold them there while the other team ran around scoring goals.

KBK

[Msgr. Mudslide]

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wheres the sport in that 12:oc7ock? Let them spawn, get into vehicles and whatnot, get their hopes up, and then rape them. It will really piss them off then.

[|]S[|Sonic]

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Make the Phalanx have a greater lockon distance and better tracking missiles and Wake will be fine.

[BigRedRat]

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Ask pinoy what baseraping the carrier got him.Can you say reset?Keep up the good work fellas:)

[rowdyman]

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Kayback; those are all valid points :salute:. I agree with mobile spawn point idea, or at least give the grunts a beach head instead of the small island where the arty is.

[12:oc7ock]

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wheres the sport in that 12:oc7ock? Let them spawn, get into vehicles and whatnot, get their hopes up, and then rape them. It will really piss them off then.

Dude, when i get owned at the uncap, instead of crying like a skoolgirl i get the hell out of dodge VIA an aircraft or I do what I can to use any local weapons to repel the attack.

And Kayback, I quit reading your post at the idiot comment. Whether or not you unjustifiably call me an idiot, fact of the matter is I'll own you and your team at the uncap any day of the week and it'll only make things sweeter when you piss and moan until the game ends. Fellow PC gamers? Huh, I don't know you dude, and I have plenty of friends, so all your good for to me is a kill VIA broadband, buddy. Was that too harsh? So sorry.

[Gav]

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Kayback; those are all valid points :salute:. I agree with mobile spawn point idea, or at least give the grunts a beach head instead of the small island where the arty is.

Exactly. Wake is a great map when the US actually manage to capture and hold a flag. But how many rounds has everyone played where the US never even set foot on dry land? For the US team, it's frustrating as hell to not be able to do anything, and for the PLA team (those who aren't in the J10/Z10 anyway) it's just plain boring because there's nothing to do except sit around getting a suntan. Maps like that should have extra kit items - factor 15 sun lotion and a deck of cards with some poker chips!

12:oc7ock, precisely what weapons would you have them fight back with? On Wake, the US get F35s and an AH1, a few Blackhawks and a load of boats. The choppers and jets are usually being raped constantly so that they usually can't even get off the carrier deck, and if they do the J10 has a massive advantage over the F35 anyway and choppers are just sitting ducks for jets. That just leaves the boats, and the problems with those has already been discussed at length. Up against that, there's the J10-carrier-raping, the tank on each of the two tips of the island (not to mention the third tank that spawns at the airfield will be driving round somewhere as well), usually backed up by jeeps too, the snipers, and then the Z10 floating around aimlessly, picking off whatever the other guys have missed. Boats and swimmers are just begging to get chewed up and spat out by that little greeting force. Oh, and I forgot the constant UAV and artillery that always seems to be hovering over the carrier too, as if things weren't already bad enough.

Whether you think base-rape is fair enough or not, and dazzle us all with your justification about how it's war, and war isn't fair... at the end of the day this is a game! Games are supposed to be played for fun. You could argue that on some maps, if you get pushed back to your uncap and get raped then it's your own fault for being such a useless team... Maybe. On maps like Gulf of Oman or Dalian Plant, where things start a little fairer. But on Wake the US are in that position before the round even starts!

It's not the fault of the base-rapers. They're just presented with an opportunity that's too good to pass up, especially when they're desperate for kills for their precious stats in the ranking system. And especially when they've been on the receiving end and now they get chance for some payback. The problem is the map design on Wake being so poor.

[barz26]

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I've played Wake where we have let them take flag to have a proper battle, cant see any point in sitting in a tank dodging artillery and occasionaly shooting a black hawk that manages to take off from the carrier.

whats the point in winning the round 200-0 and having 3 kills and 6 points?

What does annoy me is when people start whining, "stop spawn raping me!!" and they have about 5 different flags to choose from to spawn at. If your getting spawn raped then spawn somewhere else ya tard!!!!

[Gav]

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What does annoy me is when people start whining, "stop spawn raping me!!" and they have about 5 different flags to choose from to spawn at. If your getting spawn raped then spawn somewhere else ya tard!!!!

Yeah, fair play. If there are other options to spawn at, you should go somewhere else. I mean how many times do you have to die at the same place before it occurs to you that spawning at one of the other flags might be a better idea? But when there's no other option (like the US at Wake - where, okay, there are three spawn points on the map, but they're all effectively the same) then that's when it sucks.

I've played Wake as China and deliberately allowed flag caps too. I'd rather not spend the round bored.

[Miniman]

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Ribs get killed by jets, choppers, jeeps, tanks and even troops, and they go so slow. the only good way of getting off the chopper is via the blackawk, but the super j10s jsut blast the only black hawk out of the sky. i just wish the uss essex was serious defence - a jet should not be able to kill it in 1 pass.

in my entire bf2 "career", i have never bombed the carrier. back in the good ol days, before the first patch, i artied the carrier a few times. inwas a lil nub and didnt knwo the difference between right and wrong :P id ather let them take a flag - same if the chinese have no flags. especilly with bf2s load times

[Kayback]

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I'll own you and your team at the uncap any day of the week and it'll only make things sweeter when you piss and moan until the game ends. Fellow PC gamers? Huh, I don't know you dude, and I have plenty of friends, so all your good for to me is a kill VIA broadband, buddy. Was that too harsh? So sorry.

Like I care how big you think your E-penis is? If all you want to do is rack up a high score, why don't you set up a click counter and just sit for hours and click your mouse?

The game is to be played for fun. Maybe you get your fun out of base raping the other 32 people on the server, don't.. Seems like a totally pointless, idiotic and actually pathetic way of playing the game.

Do I care that you didn't reads my post? No. It only emphasises my point that you're and idiot.

KBK

[||3rb||MOBB]

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Just wanna throw my 2 cents in,
I dont rape the carrier I just wait for the crashhawks to fly over the water then shoot them down as well as the attack helo and other jets, I usually coordinate with another pilot and one takes down the jets while other kills the helos, then the attack helo swats the boats, but then again we do have a commander who spots all the targets as they get close to land.

If you rape the carrier in a j10 a GOOD phalanx gunner will shred your *** when you fly over from one of the two phalanx stations, then again, they might not, feel like rolling the dice? I have no problem waiting over open water, go ahead bail out... it's a long swim to shore.

As for spawning USMC, yes flying the F35 and bailing over a flag, and having 5 teammates spawn on you as soon as you hit the ground works, but some people anticipate this and lie in wait or better yet c4 or claymore the chinese airfield flag.

Both sides have an angle to work, but I think the killer as is on every map is team work and cooperation.

to summarize-

-china-
shooting fish in a barrel, if fish take air field... your screwed (most times)

-USMC- go for airfield with a squad...not by yourself, if that fails go for any flag,... in a squad not by yourself.

||3RB||mobb