My AA rant

[HowieMandel]

Re: My AA rant

I don't care if you give them double their range.

They won't be a problem for me. AA has never been a problem for me.

It'll just be that i'll need to take AA as a threat and kill them before they kill me... just like the J-10.

More challenge = more fun

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Seriously............this quote says it all, from a self professed, superstar pilot, and superstar AA operator.
What can you assume from this quote?
Hmmmm class, lets see....im thinking....

THAT AA SUCKS AGAINST PLANES, MAYBE? But what if we made the AA stronger again? Now all of a sudden the pilots would need to treat the AA as potential threats and need to concentrate on getting them OUT before going and laming up the ground, mowing down infantry, and bombing folks.......
and now we got this "hang gliding" term. I see it MORE AND MORE lately, where these jets go like. .... what? 4 mph for about 10 seconds, just massively rapping with the guns. lol. That screams imbalance right there. Thats like saying you can take a tank, and go against 5 apcs, without incident. Guess what? You cant. You will lose.
Anyways, who cares.....i rarely man AA unless its against a helo. Cuz i suck? or wont get big points? No............because if i man that thing against a plan, i have a 90% chance of dying from it, and a 90% chance of hitting it.
Super bad odds. Why bother? In reality there is ........."no chance".

That's because the people in the jets know their weaknesses and stuff, same with tank/AT

Where is weakness when your firing heat seaking missles at a plane? You get a lock on tone. You fire 2 shots. I see nothing special in that. Yet, for some reason, 90% of the time we aint gonna hit anything. I will probally have to get lucky to stay alive, first, and have to get 3 seperate tones, with 5-6 shots at you, before i kill, or atleast hurt you a bit.
I was like super good at AT when game first started. YOu can look up my stats if you want......but if you do, realize that i was AT primarily when the game first started.
The biggest weakness i found overall with the Anti-tank class, going against any armor is.............. The shell doing anything at all. Usually, in dire times, the famous Ghost Shell fires......not sure what it does. I see it ......it looks like it hits the tank...........but then it looks like it goes through tank......and then continues on for.......who knows when.
The AT shell against the tank, is so lopsided anymore, it almost dont matter where you shoot. Im not saying the shell sucks against the tank, im saying, maybe you'll hit it.........maybe you wont. (even if its 8 feet from you )

[imported_DANK]

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Well heres the usual steps I take and it works most of the time if they are not flying too low.

Aim AA at them but try to keep the bottom part of the circle on the jet so when he blows his flares you can paint the target again and lock on to fire. They used their flares so they get screwed.

It is best to sometimes sit back and not paint the target; so he doesn't do basic avoiding manuevers. Make the jet come towards your main flag on the other side of the map and make sure he has to come past you again trying to get back to his airfield to repair. I'll try and post some videos of me doing it later.

[colony]

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I dont know, maybe your missiles arent hitting because, gasp, they used flares!!! :laugh:

Just get over it now, its not gonna change.

All of your whining and crying already got jets taken out of 2142, so you wont have anything to cry about except the other enemies who unfairly shoot you with bullets

[XmetallicaXguitarstX]

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I dont know, maybe your missiles arent hitting because, gasp, they used flares!!! :laugh:

Just get over it now, its not gonna change.

All of your whining and crying already got jets taken out of 2142, so you wont have anything to cry about except the other enemies who unfairly shoot you with bullets

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Turnip]

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You really think your not with a handicapped when flying a jet?, I got that from the rolly eyes and no bullet remark. Just wondering whether you really believe it or if your just being snotty and saying you have a some sort of god given gift so you deserve to be invincible..

[scott123]

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The AA is already overpowered the way it is now.

The fact is, it requires ZERO skill to man an AA station or AA vehicle, so to the hell with that.

You are soooooooo wrong

When any aircraft can start shooting you with its machine gun before you can get a lock, we have a serious problem.

All AA on all maps have this problem. Pick any map with some good pilots. Now, try to lock on an aircraft who is B-Lining right for you. You will notice he/she gets 100% kills on the AA because its impossible for the AA to lock on the aircraft before the AA (and the person on the AA) is wiped out. There is no debate here, its a fact. Should Dice fix it? Well....since Dice has already stated for the record that "they had no idea people would become so proficient at flying aircraft" the logical answer is Yes. Will they?....probably not, and I really don't care :)

EDIT: I've fly many times in BF2. There is a reason why everyone lines up on the air-strip and TK'es each-other for Jets. Its because its the most lucrative way of scoring points in BF2.

[.Churr.]

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I am a horrible jet pilot, but I can say AA's are a headache for choppers. Unless you have a good gunner and/or a good pilot, it is very easy to kill choppers with the AA.

Yes, it is still possible to wipe the AA with the TV-Missile before it locks on you, but surviving in a chopper is more difficult than surviving in a plane. The only chance a chopper have to kill an AA from a distance is the TV missile. Not all gunners can do this, and the worst part is avoiding incoming missiles.

Once you've released flares, it's game over; you can do any acrobacies you want but there is a 98% of chance that the missiles WILL HIT you. And remember that choppers can't get out of the AA range as fast as jets because they ARE slower.

[XmetallicaXguitarstX]

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You are soooooooo wrong

When any aircraft can start shooting you with its machine gun before you can get a lock, we have a serious problem.

All AA on all maps have this problem. Pick any map with some good pilots. Now, try to lock on an aircraft who is B-Lining right for you. You will notice he/she gets 100% kills on the AA because its impossible for the AA to lock on the aircraft before the AA (and the person on the AA) is wiped out. There is no debate here, its a fact. Should Dice fix it? Well....since Dice has already stated for the record that "they had no idea people would become so proficient at flying aircraft" the logical answer is Yes. Will they?....probably not, and I really don't care :)

EDIT: I've fly many times in BF2. There is a reason why everyone lines up on the air-strip and TK'es each-other for Jets. Its because its the most lucrative way of scoring points in BF2.

That is the whole point... you can't be sitting in the AA when the jet is COMING AT YOU!

Wait until he's at the point of no return, then get in, and shoot at him! It's as simple as that! In other words, wait until he is at the point, where it would be too late to kill you and he has no choice but to run.

You can argue that "well the AA range is short and he is too high/far"

Well if he is that high or far, than he's not a threat to you anymore then is he :)



Point is, AA works fine. It's the people using it that don't know how to use it, then calling it useless.

[OSUPIC]

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Most people don't use AA effectivly. Use some of the techniques above and then come back for comment. AA are not heavly armored, and hence should die pretty quick when identified. The key then is to not be identified, or for moble AA move.

Hang gliding/ slow flying, no excuse for why these jets should be allowed in the sky. It only takes a jeep to shoot one down, look up from time to time and kill them.

Tweeking AA don't care. The good jet pilots will adapt and kill it. The bad ones will die sooner, so you don't have to wait as long for the jet to come back. I have no problem with anything which raises the skill level required to play, it only separates the wheat from the chaff faster.

[colony]

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You really think your not with a handicapped when flying a jet?, I got that from the rolly eyes and no bullet remark. Just wondering whether you really believe it or if your just being snotty and saying you have a some sort of god given gift so you deserve to be invincible..

I'm gonna go with god given gift :p

[troybob]

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:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

haven't you gone to sleep yet?

[HAWK503]

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I don't think that AA stations should be made better just for killing jets cause then the people in choppers will just get totally screwed over. Even now chopper pilots get ****ed off with people in AA stations cause they OWN choppers.
Good pilots even have some trouble with them cause if you want to survive you have to pull out of whatever attacking move you were making (to kill a tank or whatever) so that the missiles don't get you.

[Chris_Redfield]

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When people are talking about boosting up AA, they always seem to use the following lines, or along those lines

"Because now, jet pilots actually have to take AA as a threat!"

These people are purely retarded. It doesnt matter to them, that hirizontally flying jets are taken down. It doesnt matter to them that pilots had to overcome super AA issue with high altitiude divebombs, thus making them less effective on the field compared to 1.12 and earlier. They dont care that jets are pushed back a bit already. They dont care that if theres a lock, and if theres no flares, missiles hit- which is basically all you need for a hit. They dont care that its natural for them to be at a disadvantage because theya re facing a MOBILE threat while being immobile. They dont care that this requires them to do extra work to overcome the disadvantage. All they want is the AA to be made into a scoremachine. Something they can use as armor, killing every air target instantly.

AA is a defense element, not offensive weapon, and as such, its at a disadvantage!

[XmetallicaXguitarstX]

Re: My AA rant

When people are talking about boosting up AA, they always seem to use the following lines, or along those lines

"Because now, jet pilots actually have to take AA as a threat!"

These people are purely retarded. It doesnt matter to them, that hirizontally flying jets are taken down. It doesnt matter to them that pilots had to overcome super AA issue with high altitiude divebombs, thus making them less effective on the field compared to 1.12 and earlier. They dont care that jets are pushed back a bit already. They dont care that if theres a lock, and if theres no flares, missiles hit- which is basically all you need for a hit. They dont care that its natural for them to be at a disadvantage because theya re facing a MOBILE threat while being immobile. They dont care that this requires them to do extra work to overcome the disadvantage. All they want is the AA to be made into a scoremachine. Something they can use as armor, killing every air target instantly.

AA is a defense element, not offensive weapon, and as such, its at a disadvantage!

Hell .... they want to kill jets with hand held guns!

[Chris_Redfield]

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Hell .... they want to kill jets with hand held guns!

You know, with all this, I remember the good old "Fifth Element" movie, where Zorg introduces that cannon?

Zorg: Voila! The ZF-1.
[the weapon opens, and Zorg picks it up]
Zorg: It's light. Handle's adjustable for easy carrying, good for righties and lefties. Breaks down into four parts, undetectable by x-ray, ideal for quick, discreet interventions. A word on firepower. Titanium recharger, three thousand round clip with bursts of three to three hundred, and with the Replay button - another Zorg invention - it's even easier.
[the lights illuminate a mannequin dressed in Police armor]
Zorg: One shot...
[He spins on his heel and shoots the mannequin once]
Zorg: And Replay sends every following shot to the same location!
[He sprays bullets at the Mangalores, but all of them turn around and hit the mannequin]
Zorg: And to finish the job, all the Zorg oldies-but-goldies. Rocket launcher...
[a missile streaks out and destroys the mannequins riot shield]
Zorg: Arrow launcher, with exploding or poisonous gas heads...
[a set of darts hit the mannequin in the face]
Zorg: Very practical. Our famous net launcher...
[a net flies out and ensnares the mannequin]
Zorg: The always efficient flame-thrower...
[a stream of flame burns the mannequin]
Zorg: [grins] My favorite. And for the Grand Finale, the all new Ice Cube System!
[a cloud of liquid nitrogen envelops the mannequin, causing it to burst into pieces and collapse to the floor. The Mangalores applaud]

Now, imagine it was the new M16, and targets were jets...