Blackhawk and other nerfed thingys

[{TKM}MiK]

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Man I miss thoes guns This game at one time was such a good laugh they might aswell replace the mini guns with water pistols they would do about the same ammount of damage.

[venny]

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ya, funny y peeps dont wanna take the bh nowadays. all rush for the plane or attack choppers.

[war_mouth]

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I wont hesitate to take the BH from the carrier these days, cause its always there, and the boats get shot before landfall. I will grab it, take it up high, then dive down onto the nearest flag before ejecting to parachute onto the flag. Not what its designed for obviously, but after the nerf, that's about all its good for...

[Heavy552 AWG]

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We do the same thing with Armored Fury Helicopters. Get very high above the airdefense and hang over a base in a hover as squad leader.

Have people spawn on you and drop by parachute.

The secret is climbing high enough early before advancing to the enemy so that they never hear or see you while wondering why the commander is yelling about that "ENEMY HELICOPTER SPOTTED!"

Alot of the things you see like "WTF!!?? RAMMER!!" has it's genesis in the BH days of BF2.

[EliteRazgriz666]

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As i mentioned bfore when we used to have DICE question submission...we should bring BH back!! It was one of the best times in BF2 no doubt, the thrill of a 64 player mashtuur city with a blackhawk creatin fear in all the men below it. I remember the time when if u saw one, u hide asap like ur in Terminator or somethin lol. Had amazin teamwork potential too, not only could u cap flags and shoot the livin crap outta ppl, the BH could b used as a air ambulance by medics droppin out bags and support. The machine guns r now a joke and personally i prefer when the BH was "overpowered". Even if i would b MEC, i would become commander and sit on our IGLA and take out the BH every so often :P and not forgettin artying their heli pad when it spawns :p

[DemonOfhatred]

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Might as well remove the things now. Completely useless. Has anyone actually killed anybody with these things lately? Must have been from up close when the sucker was on the ground.

On the other hand, it gives the people being transported something to do while they are being bussed around.

I shot at a prone guy yesterday and it was nearly impossible to kill him, even though he didn't move at all. They went over board with the nerf. The bh guns are now less accurate and less powerful than the other transport helos.

[xbrandomx]

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They should have beefed up the MEC Chopper.

Why? The thing rocks as is. Those guns are unbeatable.

The question I'm posting about: is it me or did the nerf the DAO-12?

[deadman2312]

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The guns are now complete trash...you might as well be trying to kill them with a bubble gun.....

As before mentioned, the good ol' days!!!! Memories, thats one thing Dice cant take away.

The only thing they are good for is scaring newer players away....little do they know it takes about 20 rounds directly TO THE FACE to kill you, haha.

But still the Blackhawk isnt completely useless, it is still a great tool for squads. You all jump out at the flag now, cap real quick, then jump right back in, its a little more realistic now, as far as having to exit the vehicle anyways, the guns will never go back to original strength unfortunately.

Also mentioned before in this thread, the BlackHawk was great if you were in it, in the previous patch versions, it was Hell on the ground, BUT THERE WERE ways against it, it was never indestructible. If you aimed around the bottom of the passenger ports and fired either AT rockets, or Grenade Launchers you were guaranteed 2 kills, with a max of 4-5. I on a few occasions cleared out everyone but the pilot with a GP-30 round, good times.

WE MISS YOU 1.1 BlackHawk!!!!:hmm: <3<3<3

[-NV-Java]

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Ok, I'm pretty new to BF2, and I've been lurking here for a little, everyone speaks of the BH being nerfed and how devastating it was besides being a transport with a couple of miniguns on each side. What was this Blackhawk capable of? what did I miss out or not miss out on?

What about other things that were nerfed? What were they? Why were they nerfed?

...You missed out on a different game basically - the BH was an awesome gunship/capping machine/point multiplier!

It was damn fun when you were in it, not so much fun when you were one of the cannon fodder targets scrambling for cover. As far as people blaming the "whiners" for the nerf, I don't agree - they did need to do something, the problem is that when EA/Dice try to nerf anything, they seem to get the balance wrong.

The miniguns need to be changed back to maybe halfway between how they were and what they're like now, (pea shooters at present), and armour definitely needs to be increased a bit, IMHO

Other nerfs? There's been a lot of changes, eg: the pkm. The pkm did need a slight buff, but in true EA/Dice fashion, they came back with a 100 round fully automatic sniper rifle! :) I actually think the pkm is pretty much perfect in it's current state.

C4 tossing rose to ridiculous levels at one stage, but I don't like the nerf - the ability to toss a pack of C4 over a wall saved my a$$ many a time!

Jets and AA - I don't think I'll even go there, (I don't have my asbestos suit with me today!)

Not being able to destroy clays? One of the worst changes, and from what I hear, much abused as well. (Not on the NZ and Aussie servers I play on though, all of them have FF turned ON)

As I play a lot of sniper, I'm more than happy with the accuracy buff for sniper rifles, they did need it. I just think they need to look at accuracy/deviation when standing compared to prone - I've seen some snipers play whole rounds getting headshots while standing, (although most did have very low pings of 20-40, unlike my average of 120+ :hmm: )

Anyway, just my opinions, but TXHALLOWS, the game has changed a lot, and will probably change again with the next patch.

[imported_The 13th Raptor]

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The Blackhawk was overpowered, if you didn’t see that you were either one of those people that used it all the time, or you are just plain ignorant. It was a rape on the maps where jets were not available, mainly the city maps, it would come in and fly wide circles around flags, killing everything out in the open, jeeps, and apc's were no problem. With a few engineers in the back, taking it out was near impossible, as soon as you were able to inflict real damage, it would just veer away, repair and return. The fact it could cap flags with no real danger unless a tank was around did not help things either.

Something needed to be done, and dice did just that, they took the guns down a bit too far, but its still able to do the job it was suppost to.

Transport infantry

Anyhow, then there is.. c4. People used it as a primary weapon against everything. Infantry? Hop-trow, detonate. voila, personal artillery. Tanks? Rush from cover, hop-throw, detonate. Voila, personal AT weapon. They tried to nerf it so it wouldn’t be such a "answer to everything" weapon. They succeeded for a while, but word is that its back.

What else.. Ah yes, noobtoobing. The use of the grenade launcher at point blank. Again, i was not sad to see it go for a while because people were using it as a primary weapon. Not as it was intended, so dice axed it, thankfully.

I say all these changes were for the better, they haven’t negatively effected the game. Not that it matters, they never managed to fix the aa/nerf the planes, so the biggest pet peeve remains.

[Heavy552 AWG]

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Transport Infantry?

HAH!

You will find the carrier deck full of teamkilling for the Cobra or the Jet.

[Real_CaGeD]

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Might as well remove the things now. Completely useless. Has anyone actually killed anybody with these things lately? Must have been from up close when the sucker was on the ground.

On the other hand, it gives the people being transported something to do while they are being bussed around.

Yea, the bh is worthless. The game was much funner in 1.12

[USI_Krusher]

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Ahhh, the days of jumping and sticking multiple C4 bricks to the top of the flagpole at power station on Mashtuur. Here comes flag-capping BH full of the enemy, hovers over the flag until it turns to their side... click....BOOM! +12 points, then go turn it back for +2 more.

You could hear the collective groan of them....

[Bubas]

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As i never play as a gunner in an attack chopper nor i play as an aviator, my best streak was on mashtuur with a BH, in 5 minutes i killed 23 guys, pity my game crashed when I was breaking all my records, kill streak, kils IAR etc... :)

[Slocum]

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Ah man i loved the BH back then. Sure it was pretty hard being MEC or PLA, but now there is nothing to fear really, so its kinda lame. I remember when you heard that BH coming you either ran or died!! Man i got my best kill streak that still stands today from being in a BH. It did need some nerfing, but not that much. Maybe a little less armor and slightly weakening the miniguns, combined with a beefing up of the MEC/PLA choppers would have balanced it.