Jets Need To Go Away

[Pilo-II]

Re: Jets Need To Go Away

I don't care about 'high points' I care for my side to win the game. What do you want the jet to be an easy flying taget? wtf. It's a jet, built to destroy targets. Play better and jets won't bother you.

[Thirdeyez]

Re: Jets Need To Go Away

I love how you guys make using an AA like like a class...like someone is gonna log on and say "you know what I want to spend the whole round taking out planes and such"..
sorry folks the reason people get pi$$y about planes; while there is totaly fine options to combat them, is that 90% of the time people are playing they dont wanna have to worry about air defense.
Sure theres the guys who do camp the AA and usually just end up being bomb fodder as they shoot at flares, or land one missle head on, or they end up eating sniper bullets to the head.

Face it people get angry cause there trying to engage in ground base infantry and some guy can swoop in destroy everything and get out in a matter of sconds. You can respawn and say "this time he is mine" but lets face unless he is a moron your a dead man cause lets face it jets do have the upper hand against staionary AA since the user is wide open to attack and is giving 2 missles with a long reload.

AA is perfect for Helis, for jets its moderately ok and slimly effective. Mobile AA does a better job, an amzing job!.. cause it offers a bit of armor and ability to adjust location. Now the downside..lack of mobile AA on maps compared to amount of maps with planes.

Only real defense is an equal caliber pilot on your team..which leads to a most users being on one of two sides...not noticing there on the jet pwning team or feeling the effects of being pwned. This was made more efficient with the introduction of point and click dog fighting but yet still can be a headache for teams with less the average pilots to support them.

[N2K]

Re: Jets Need To Go Away

Thats when i am ground pounding and no one is trying to take out the jet that is owning everyone, i jump in a jet and clear the skies. Since they know how to drop bombs they think they know how to fly and thats how i get another on my "most killed list"

[Boojie]

Re: Jets Need To Go Away

I love how you guys make using an AA like like a class...like someone is gonna log on and say "you know what I want to spend the whole round taking out planes and such"..
sorry folks the reason people get pi$$y about planes; while there is totaly fine options to combat them, is that 90% of the time people are playing they dont wanna have to worry about air defense.
Sure theres the guys who do camp the AA and usually just end up being bomb fodder as they shoot at flares, or land one missle head on, or they end up eating sniper bullets to the head.

Face it people get angry cause there trying to engage in ground base infantry and some guy can swoop in destroy everything and get out in a matter of seconds. You can respawn and say "this time he is mine" but lets face unless he is a moron your a dead man cause lets face it jets do have the upper hand against staionary AA since the user is wide open to attack and is giving 2 missles with a long reload.

Best two paragraphs I've seen on this board in a long time.

:salute:

Play better and jets won't bother you.

Most ignorant sentence I've seen on this board in a long time.

Play better?

If I'm a support guy and do a good job of dishing out the ammo, the jets wont bother me?

If I'm a medic and do a good job of reviving people, the jets wont bother me?

If I'm SF and do a good job of taking out their arty, the jets wont bother me?



I need to repeat this stupidity for ole times sake. It's priceless.

Play better and jets won't bother you.

[Thirdeyez]

Re: Jets Need To Go Away

Best two paragraphs I've seen on this board in a long time.

:salute:

thank you but by qouting those 2 paragraphs Im hoping you dont think i suggest planes should just go away, that last paragraph is aimed at the utter lack of usefullness of Stationary AA
Mobile AA is far far far more superior and has actual use against planes, while stationary is fodder for pilots with near average skill or are usefull for Heli's.

Want to even things out..increase Mobile AA appearance on Maps, make admins able to add or remove vehicles/air assests in rounds...then the silent little pray that your teams pilots are able to compete with the opposing force..Cause lets face it a team with no pilot against a team a team with a good one is dead meat, as opposed to say a team with no tankers..at least if infantry guys are facing a tank with no equal groudn they have some chance.

Only downside..heli pilots would being eating death sandwiches 90% of the time with increased mobile AA...

[Blud]

Re: Jets Need To Go Away

All I can do is agree. Jets ruin the game and will continue to do so until they can be balanced with 1 hit AA, admins have the option of enabling/disabling jets and the having the jets respawn before the pilot does to give others a chance to fly (they should do this to all vehicles actually).

And yes the topic has been covered and covered and covered, but it keeps coming back because Jets do ruin the game

[Boojie]

Re: Jets Need To Go Away

thank you but by qouting those 2 paragraphs Im hoping you dont think i suggest planes should just go away, that last paragraph is aimed at the utter lack of usefullness of Stationary AA

I hear ya. I wasn't looking to get rid of them so much as I was totally relating to that comment of yours.

Flashback: I'm on Dalian and I'm in a buggy. I see a crate. I'm somewhat damaged so I head over to the crate. The crate is far away from anything important. No one is fighting there. It's really, really off the beaten path (don't ask my why the commander dropped it there....haha). While trying to heal, (remember, I am all alone and nothing remotely important is going on next to me), a jet swoops down and bombs me. Cute. This biatch is going mach2 and still managed to pinpoint bomb one person.

That is just silly.

I would rather trade...just give the pilot some 50 points and tell him to leave so that we can get down to business and enjoy the game.

[Revoluti0n]

Re: Jets Need To Go Away

Like I didn't expect alll the jet whores to pounce on this...

Of course they would object to having thier toys and high scores taken away. Duh!

I'm not saying that the pilots aren't skilled in what they do. I am saying that having them consistently be the high scorers/killers in the game without having them balanced by more effective AA ruins the game for the players on the ground.

And it takes a LOT more skill to play with the other players on the ground than it does to fly. Instead of flying around dipping and diving, strafing, and dropping 500 pound bombs on infantry, try coordinating a multi-kit squad to take over a well-defended flag sometime.

Having a jets rain bombs on you while you are trying to get off the carrier or take a flag isn't anybody's idea of fun except the pilot's. It's like having some omnipotent flyswatter come along and blast the living hell out of you with no recourse for adequate defense.

Make them more vulnerable to AA and I - we - won't have a problem with them. Heck, even just increase their spawn times to 2 minutes so the jet-camping pilots can all have that much more time to stat pad.

If they can't do that, then just remove them from the game.

I'm not a jet whore, I hardly ever fly anymore since 01/06. I guess I don't like the freaking marathon at the airfield where like 14 out of 16 people are sprinting towards the jet in order to have 3-4 teamkills before the jet finally leaves. No thanks. Besides, I see that a lot of noobs take a jet up only to respawn within a minute because they ended up "tapping" a reactor tower with the afterburners on...

I dont understand how you can say that it takes more skill to ground pound than fly though...It takes little skill to play this game at all anymore...

[12:oc7ock]

Re: Jets Need To Go Away

LMAO, your exactly what I was owning today. I flew over to the MEC airfield on Oman jumped in the T90 and took out like 6 guys before hopping in the Mig29. After completely devastating the MEC team for 3/4 the rond some SAS-Scalawag started avote kick for me. (I guess he got tired of the ownage). Funny thing is his own teammates were telling him to "STFU, its part of the game!" So, the moral of the story is, there will be pilots who will kill you. Use this as motivation to kill them first.

[zipp0r]

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I hear ya. I wasn't looking to get rid of them so much as I was totally relating to that comment of yours.

Flashback: I'm on Dalian and I'm in a buggy. I see a crate. I'm somewhat damaged so I head over to the crate. The crate is far away from anything important. No one is fighting there. It's really, really off the beaten path (don't ask my why the commander dropped it there....haha). While trying to heal, (remember, I am all alone and nothing remotely important is going on next to me), a jet swoops down and bombs me. Cute. This biatch is going mach2 and still managed to pinpoint bomb one person.

That is just silly.

I would rather trade...just give the pilot some 50 points and tell him to leave so that we can get down to business and enjoy the game.

turn your engine off :p

[12:oc7ock]

Re: Jets Need To Go Away

lol^ , its not silly, its one kill for the pilot :P

[Pilo-II]

Re: Jets Need To Go Away

I think everything should go. Guns, knives, everything. We should just bunnyjump on enemies heads and kill them that way, like in Mario... pmooooom pmooooom trltltltlltltlll.

[Thirdeyez]

Re: Jets Need To Go Away

Anytime a subject liek this, about an imbalance so to say, people get defensive. Some maps like wake, dalian, oman can be very intresting with no air being used, and face it there are some people who enjoy not having to rely on sub-par AA or the openess of even sitting in one (you become a big block, unmovable..I see an occupied AA I dont bother to even waste my bombs, I toss out a few cannon shells..there based at Helis..not planes.

Tgunska (sp?) and similiar moveable AA are more aimed at Planes, but introducing these to certain maps would eliminate all chances of Helis surviving. The introduction of movable AA and stationary would hurt Helis so much yet lvl the groudn to air combat vs. planes.

Drop 2 AA on Wake/Oman you would have far less whining. Same with adding a bit extra to a few others, Jets would stand less of a chance.
But the Heli pilots would hate you..
As it stands on maps such as that you have to rely on your fellow player or be that guy that chooses to be the true equal force against an enemy jet, become a pilot.

[HowieMandel]

Re: Jets Need To Go Away

[QUOTE=Revoluti0n]Not sure about that. Im tired of reading about "good pilots/players" are using exploits. That is a load of BS. QUOTE]

I've found throughout history of FPS'ing, that this comment isn't really true.
More often then not, and usually when a game dies out, the truths come out, and one learns that the one really good player or clan, that dominated the game, did in fact, use hacks, cheats, and exploits.
Hey, dont take my comment the wrong way, im not disputing what you said, 100%. I do dispute it though. And im cool with whatever you feel, so long as your cool with my opinion. Its all good.

[Revoluti0n]

Re: Jets Need To Go Away

[QUOTE=HowieMandel]

Not sure about that. Im tired of reading about "good pilots/players" are using exploits. That is a load of BS. QUOTE]

I've found throughout history of FPS'ing, that this comment isn't really true.
More often then not, and usually when a game dies out, the truths come out, and one learns that the one really good player or clan, that dominated the game, did in fact, use hacks, cheats, and exploits.
Hey, dont take my comment the wrong way, im not disputing what you said, 100%. I do dispute it though. And im cool with whatever you feel, so long as your cool with my opinion. Its all good.

True that. I understand your point. But in BF2, everyone has cried exploit at people that ahve more experience with the game.

Someone that has 500+ hours over someone that has 25+ hours? The only difference between the 2 is that the guy with more time knows the map, knows what the weapons can do, knows where to hide, etc. That is what I was mostly refering to.