Only the default (TGN Light) theme for now. Dark them is also coming back soon. Then CSN. Then Wrestlin' Nation. A lot of WIP stuff right now. There are a couple of things still not working either. Sorry.
uh... wow.. dude.. do you realize how they've already been nerfed? what are you tryin to do is make them useles.. go play a city map or a smaller map in which planes r not included if u hate them..
True that. Nothing wrong with them, what do you want one shot pistol kill?
Only thing that needs balanced is the j-10 but thats a separate issue.
I suck in helos, in general, and thats cool with me, i enjoy ground pounding. However, in BF2, i can fly them fairly well, if need be. Same with Desert Combat. However after a 6 month stint from NOT playing Desert Combat, the other day, I loaded it up. Guess what....? Those DC copters compared to BF2.........holy smokes......the DC copters take some serious button pushing in order to do damage to the other team. They suckers ........forgot how hard the learning curve was with them.
BF2 copters..... 10 minutes and you can fly them.
DC copters........ 1 month and maybe you got it down pat.
I think Jet's own me all the time...but also the attack choppers do too...this is usually coz the air power we have is not used by those who know what they are doing...
I think when the planes simply go for the ground troops, it is a pretty average round, as we dont have much to fight them, but if they are held up by other planes etc, then it is good to see the air war going on away from the ground war :)
I can't stand it when there is a tank running around, but the plane or the attack chopper goes for the "easy kill" guys on the ground, rather than trying to use some skill in squashing the tank. This is a disappointment. Same deal with tanks spawn-whoring - why dont they go for the other tanks? coz it is harder to get the points.
Anyway, dumbing down the plane is not a plan of mine...I think to ensure you have some good air defense, then this is a bonus.
No they aren't. They also don't. Jets can easily be downed by S2A missiles. Not to mention there is not "2 hit" situation going on. One S2A missile is plenty to down most modern fighters. Jets are simply not designed to take fire, they are designed to dish it out quickly and get the heck outa' dodge; also to provide cover for Helo insertions and other measures.
...also, since we are playing the reality card.
-Jets should have to land to repair and rearm.
-Jets should be downed by "ONE" S2A missile (Although, I have heard of a rare case of an F-18 Hornet making it back to saftey with only one wing).
-Jets should have any idea a lock is being engaged by S2A missiles until the missile is launched.
-Jets should be a lot faster.
...the list can go on and on. Point is, the reality card is pretty dumb. You cannot use it to support only one of your points if you're not willing to apply it to every other "realistic" factor.
I don't agree. Every newbie "should" be allowed to fly them. Problem is, every newbie on the ground should be able to assault against them with an equal footing once the proper armament is aquired. Currently, even when you mount the weapons designed for Anti-Jet purposes you still have a 10-25% change of being the victor; that's me being sligtly liberal.
Also, I cannot answer that poll because it's extremely biased. It could be that a "Part-Time" pilot such as myself notices that it's far too easy to destroy ground units and rarely do I have to worry about a counter offensive unless there is another Jet in the sky.
...maybe add in that option and I will bother to vote.
{WP}Paas
BS. Go play Taraba Quarry against 2 linebackers and 2 enemy jets and go 50-0. Its not so easy.
And jets are designed to own the battlefield. There is a reason the US puts hundreds of billions of dollars into the creation and maintenance of jets.
Jets(and the bombs they carry) are the most destructive force.
And about some of those other points....
Jets shouldnt have to land to repair. If tanks can be repaired by supply crates/men with magical wrenches to full health in a matter of seconds, why should jets have to land? Hell 1 pass over airfield/carrier will only heal the jet with about 2-3 bars at a time.
Taraba Quarry is probably the best map in the game in terms of balance. Each team gets 2 jets and 2 linebackers and the usual AA emplacements. If you cant down a jet with that weaponry, you and your team is at fault.
BS. Go play Taraba Quarry against 2 linebackers and 2 enemy jets and go 50-0. Its not so easy.
I should have to pay extra for balance? What about the original maps?
I haven't spewed extra cash in EA's direction because I've lost faith in them. Simple. So, like I have stated before, my complaints fall under the area of the "Original" maps. If it's outside of that, I have no say or comment.
And jets are designed to own the battlefield. There is a reason the US puts hundreds of billions of dollars into the creation and maintenance of jets.
Because they work. Yet, they also put the same funds into Helos, Transport Ships, Battleships. A jet is only as good as its support; flying a formation into direct conflict against a S2A zone is insane... infantry would take up that role. Artillery actually.
Jets(and the bombs they carry) are the most destructive force.
True. I cannot argue this simply because of the conception of nuclear arms.
Jets shouldnt have to land to repair. If tanks can be repaired by supply crates/men with magical wrenches to full health in a matter of seconds, why should jets have to land?
Because Tanks are much easier to take out in comparison to Jets. As are Helos, APCs, Infantry, ...hell, everything. A Jet is only "EVENLY" combated by another Jet. Everything is at a disadvantage in direct combat, even Mobil Anti-Air. So, if Jets are given the advantage in combat, they should have to pay for this with a disadvantage in resupply time.
Hell 1 pass over airfield/carrier will only heal the jet with about 2-3 bars at a time.
Yet, it will give you 6 or 2 bombs to litter the infantry below with.
Taraba Quarry is probably the best map in the game in terms of balance. Each team gets 2 jets and 2 linebackers and the usual AA emplacements. If you cant down a jet with that weaponry, you and your team is at fault.
...and if I don't own that map? I'm at fault? I shouldn't expect balance in the original game because I didn't shell out money for "expansions"?
I should have to pay extra for balance? What about the original maps?
I haven't spewed extra cash in EA's direction because I've lost faith in them. Simple. So, like I have stated before, my complaints fall under the area of the "Original" maps. If it's outside of that, I have no say or comment.
Because they work. Yet, they also put the same funds into Helos, Transport Ships, Battleships. A jet is only as good as its support; flying a formation into direct conflict against a S2A zone is insane... infantry would take up that role. Artillery actually.
True. I cannot argue this simply because of the conception of nuclear arms.
Because Tanks are much easier to take out in comparison to Jets. As are Helos, APCs, Infantry, ...hell, everything. A Jet is only "EVENLY" combated by another Jet. Everything is at a disadvantage in direct combat, even Mobil Anti-Air. So, if Jets are given the advantage in combat, they should have to pay for this with a disadvantage in resupply time.
Yet, it will give you 6 or 2 bombs to litter the infantry below with.
...and if I don't own that map? I'm at fault? I shouldn't expect balance in the original game because I didn't shell out money for "expansions"?
{WP}Paas
You have proved my point. If anything, the jets and AA are not the problem, its the balance of the maps and player skill that is the problem.
I would say it's actually rougher on tabara, unless the 2 AAs are close together, and working with the planes. A lone AA on such open terrain, makes it harder to survive attacks from planes some what, and completely gets you destroyed by a tank at long range.
Like I said before, fushe, daqing, dragon valley, kubra dam all have decent cover for air and ground targets. Zatar is rougher, from planes and from ground unless your behind a armour column.
I just want to ask something, who here was acutally using the AA pre-1.2, cause I was using them back then, to very little success obviously but still to some effect. Cause thats the thing about planes, they've been used since the demo, and people have been playing flight sims and arcady flight sims for years. So I think it's just that theres alot more plane experience and way less AA experience.
EDIT- plus half the problem with static AA is that we've been playing the same maps for just closing in on a year, with new maps those statics will make air power sweat for a long time before they learn where each on is and how best to take it out.
Remove the bomber from Oman and give each side 1 fighterjet to make that map more interesting. Jets are too fast to repair and reload so removing the "carpet bombing" from Oman could make the pilots skill more important factor in that map.
I don't care about other maps with jets so **** 'em.
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