EA/DICE: Squad hopping IS an exploit...

[imported_Spuddy]

From the latest Community Update.

Community Update - 5/09/06

Greetings Soldiers:

We at DICE and EA are aware of the concern surrounding the coming change to squad selection. We would like to take a moment to ease the feelings of tension related to this change.

Our goal is to refocus game play on team work, squad coordination and to also remove the spawning exploit used by some. In BF2 we introduced tools that would allow players to support one another as they battle for control points. To further enhance this aspect of game play squads were introduced to give players even more tools to coordinate their efforts and support each other.

Allowing squad mates to spawn on the squad leader was intended to provide an easy way for squads to stay together during chaotic battles. Unfortunately squad leaders have been used by some to launch team wide attacks on remote parts of maps with little thought to actual team unity beyond these maneuvers.

We believe this change will refocus the game play on team work and add more value to the roles of Squad Lead and Commander.

/The team at Dice and EA

[TokenBrit]

Re: EA/DICE: Squad hopping IS an exploit...

Maybe it will, but it will sure be a little more boring.

[RocketChild]

Re: EA/DICE: Squad hopping IS an exploit...

I guess they consider the ol Squad Leader switch-out an exploit too. They are still in the same squad!:evil:

[WarGimp]

Re: EA/DICE: Squad hopping IS an exploit...

Sure blows a whole in the "STFU you whiners, it's NOT an exploit" argument, don't it?

[Roger Smith]

Re: EA/DICE: Squad hopping IS an exploit...

go dice!

[XmetallicaXguitarstX]

Re: EA/DICE: Squad hopping IS an exploit...

This is actually going to make teamwork worse..

When you can squad hop, that helps your whole TEAM move forwards... if you are restricted to one squad, you will be losing alot of ground, and waste time running.

I really hate this idea...

[=IMO=THJones]

Re: EA/DICE: Squad hopping IS an exploit...

wOw FINNALY SOMETHING TO REALLY APPLAUD EA ABOUT!!!
thanks EA even though it's only a half step at least it will aleviate some of the exploiting, ideally you would have made it so anyone who didnt travel to a battle scene with the squad leader cant spawn on him but cup half full is better than empty...

those who said the game is boring without squad hopping gueezz teamwork is never boring try it sometime...beaming into the abttle instead of making your way there too much for you? waaaa waaaa waaaa go play starwars

[WarGimp]

Re: EA/DICE: Squad hopping IS an exploit...

This is actually going to make teamwork worse..

When you can squad hop, that helps your whole TEAM move forwards... if you are restricted to one squad, you will be losing alot of ground, and waste time running.

I really hate this idea...

I don't buy that. Never did, never will.
I know when I'm in a good stable squad, we can work our arses off and do very well. When I'm hopping, it really doesn't feel like teamwork at all. Feels more like... well, exploiting.

[BurnTheWeed]

Re: EA/DICE: Squad hopping IS an exploit...

I guess they consider the ol Squad Leader switch-out an exploit too. They are still in the same squad!:evil:

That's the only time I use it and found it effective for keeping the squad together. My friends and I can easily coordinate (over teamspeak/voip/yelling) a simple switch around and have someone else be squad leader to get that spawn point we need. I don't care about other squads but it was really nice not having to spawn back at a control point. Which is far away, after running all the way to the enemies position. Especially when one of my guys has survived and is up there needing our support. It just makes me want to be a Squad Leader less, which can't be good for teamwork.

They say they are getting rid of an exploit, I say they are punishing the (now static) squad leader.
:ar15: :salute:

[RocketChild]

Re: EA/DICE: Squad hopping IS an exploit...

I don't buy that. Never did, never will.
I know when I'm in a good stable squad, we can work our arses off and do very well. When I'm hopping, it really doesn't feel like teamwork at all. Feels more like... well, exploiting.

I agree, though I know I have done it a few times in the past. Personally, I push so hard in the game that I prefer to just make my own squad.

The other negative I can come up with, since I am always pushing real hard, for some reason, I always get good teammates jumping into my squad, and staying instead of moving on. I wonder if this fix is going to hurt that squad rotation that helps you find a good click to work with.

Just a though. I am still happy with it.

[WarGimp]

Re: EA/DICE: Squad hopping IS an exploit...

The other negative I can come up with, since I am always pushing real hard, for some reason, I always get good teammates jumping into my squad, and staying instead of moving on. I wonder if this fix is going to hurt that squad rotation that helps you find a good click to work with.

I believe the way they are implementing it, it will kill off SL rotation as well. That's another artifact that wasn't intended. In the future, keeping a good squad in the field is going to be very dependant on smart SLs that don't rush into furballs and having a squad medic that sticks close to the SL ready to revive him at a moment's notice.

[-iLL*NaYmL3sS]

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http://www.bf2.se/petition/

i hope this means something to ea/dice. over 8 thousand people have signed it.

[[2bit]Modmaven]

Re: EA/DICE: Squad hopping IS an exploit...

I thought they were only getting rid of squamping (yeah thats right) when you are dead. It would still let you join a squad or leave a squad while you are still alive....right?

[Roger Smith]

Re: EA/DICE: Squad hopping IS an exploit...

This is actually going to make teamwork worse.

how is that possible when pla wont be able to squad hop the carrier?

[Verzili]

Re: EA/DICE: Squad hopping IS an exploit...

I don't buy that. Never did, never will.
I know when I'm in a good stable squad, we can work our arses off and do very well. When I'm hopping, it really doesn't feel like teamwork at all. Feels more like... well, exploiting.

may i ask you opinon on the matter of .......
what happens if you squad leader is in a plane and you have to keep spawning at a flag.

and also you cant join another squad as all squads are full!!
how do i get around this.

also what happens if i join a squad with "exampe" german speaking squad memers? it hapens alot on uk servers as europe is close,this is very annoying.
i mean how can i play in a squad if they are all full and i get stuck with a squad i cant comunicate with??

i can see you point of view with the squad hopping but wouldnt't it be a good idea to allow the squad(only players in the squad)to change squad leader at there disrection? this would still keep the squad togheter but still give a option to spawn somewhere else on the map??

i cant see imho see groups of ppl in squads staying in a 6man formation the whole round.

maybe i'm missing somthing but from what ive read thats how i see the squad hopping thing in 1.3,i would like to hear you views on my q's thanks