Hey DICE, Euro Forces blows. Want to know why?

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  • Snipe_King_06

    #31
    Re: Hey DICE, Euro Forces blows. Want to know why?

    Originally posted by ||bfa||variable
    Allow me to tell you. Some folks will disagree, but these facts remain.
    1. 2 of the 3 maps are armor focused. Euro Forces was not supposed to be about armor - Armored Fury is supposed to be about armor. 99% of your playerbase was expecting a more balanced set of maps and gameplay. You completely missed the mark with their expectations. (Note: Some folks are happy/don't care about the disconnect, but most of us have bought the booster and played it less than 10 times because we're completely disappointed)
    2. You spent time making a new helicopter, but only included it in 1 of the 3 maps. Why bother? You wasted time and dev resources (and we paid money) for something that we can only use 33% of the time.
    3. You spent time making 2 new tanks, despite the fact that they sound exactly alike (they share the M1's sounds) and don't really have any noteworthy differences aside from the physical look. Tank combat was already single-dimensional with only negligible differences between the regular BF2 tanks. Why add more of the same without adding depth?
    4. Great Wall, the only map worth playing for real joint arms combat, is possibly the shallowest map in the game. Every firefight on the wall is the same. You have a shootout in one part of the wall, you've had a shootout on all parts. Theres no variety like the varying alleys of Mashtuur. Oh, and armor still rules the ground.
    5. Taraba Quarry was made in (I hope) 15 minutes. Flat, boring, completely linear. You managed to make a map that is as uninteresting as Zatar Wetlands but reduced the flow of the battle to a single dimension. You couldn't even add RIBs to the coastline?
    6. Great new guns! But we can't use them anywhere except on the new maps which, as mentioned, completely devalue small arms combat. We understand that there are memory implications with adding new unlocks, but you know what? We'd like you to figure it out. Everybody wants the EU guns to be available. You obviously didn't think your growth strategy through when you decided to start adding content. Now you're just p1ssing people off.
    7. Finally, in typical form, you've managed to completely marginalize almost half of the kits, depending on the map. There's really no relevant reason to play Medic, Support, or Assault on TQ or OSS. Great Wall is all about sniping and landmines, with some medic work thrown in. I love being forced to play a kit because the map requires it in order for me to be able to contribute. Every kit should be able to make a meaningful contribution on any map. This isn't news though, as anyone trying to play Support on Operation Clean Sweep can tell you.


    Please print this out and circulate around the office. Hopefully it's not too late to fix AF before you completely step in it. Again. The playerbase has a strong pulse - why can't you seem to tap into it?

    (I boldfaced the beginning of each line to increase readibility. I couldn't put line breaks in between the numbers so I needed a way to break up text)
    Mate, i totally agree with you. I dislike the game and it's just odd.

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    • Hans like sveete

      #32
      Re: Hey DICE, Euro Forces blows. Want to know why?

      yea i played on it round my friends and was severly disapointed

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      • kran1um

        #33
        Re: Hey DICE, Euro Forces blows. Want to know why?

        IMHO, Smokescreen and Wall are the only reason I got it. And Smokescreen is like a BF42 map, EL Alamien I think. I think Armoured Fury is gonna be 3 more Smokescreens.

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        • apocrypha

          #34
          Re: Hey DICE, Euro Forces blows. Want to know why?

          I'm glad I didn't buy EF. More armor focused maps is not what I am looking for. Probably the same reason I won't buy Armored force either. Don't get me wrong I'm good enoughf at bf2 to aviod most armor, and since I have SF ghost town quenches my thirst for a non-armor dominated map. Another thing I must note: I never step foot on a map with airplanes. Why? Because its just not fun to be on the ground with those flying around.

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          • ghaib

            #35
            Re: Hey DICE, Euro Forces blows. Want to know why?

            I agree

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            • kran1um

              #36
              Re: Hey DICE, Euro Forces blows. Want to know why?

              yeah, I also like Infantry only, that's why Warlord is my top map played. But sometimes even I need a change...

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              • spitsfreeman

                #37
                Re: Hey DICE, Euro Forces blows. Want to know why?

                Originally posted by IntensivCareBear

                if you want infantry, go back to SF and or counterstrike
                ok i think you have missed a big point here..although some maps say "smoke screen" might be a perfect map...ITS NOT WHAT WE PAID FOR...i was under the delusion that euro forces would be infantry based, and that armored fury would be all about tanks ect...

                Go back and play css what are you on if people wanted to play that they would. I as well as many people i know want large scale INFANTRY based combat, not to run around a map the size of a back yard (and no its not because we cant fly or tank whore its becuse its a lot of fun)

                and as for special forces thats just as bad APCS TANKS CHOPPERS ECT

                maps like the great wall could have been great (i still like it) if there wasnt tanks and apcs..

                Oh and one thing that did really get to me when i go this was
                "why on earth do the EU Forces still use american APCS and AA's???"
                EA=Lazy

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                • BravoTwoZeroUK

                  #38
                  Re: Hey DICE, Euro Forces blows. Want to know why?

                  Once again I stook by my guns and didn't bother purchasing Expansion (Booster) packs
                  God I'm clever!

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                  • compuguy1088

                    #39
                    Re: Hey DICE, Euro Forces blows. Want to know why?

                    I personally the new pack, all the maps are good, a little laggy, but are still fun to play. Smoke Screen should actually be renamed, Armored Fury, because of all the tanks that are in the map :).

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                    • Revoluti0n
                      Member
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 3032

                      #40
                      Re: Hey DICE, Euro Forces blows. Want to know why?

                      Great Wall is a good sniping/medic map. I mean, you cannot expect all the maps to be perfectly balanced every single time can you? It is the most innovative map so far.

                      I do not like Taraba Quarry at all. It is well balanced though. The map is almost perfectly symmetrical. You cannot say it isn't. The shape of the playing field even allows pilots to fly with some degree of comfort.

                      Operation Smokescreen is also among my least favorites, but it is balanced. If you look at the map itself and consider the spawn points and how they are arranged in relation to the vehicles and the enemy spawn points, it is perfectly symmetrical.

                      Symmetry does not equal a fun playable map though. So I agree with Variable for the most part. It would be nice if the fixed the Eurojet and the POS Tiger to work a little better. The best chopper in the game to be released yet is the Apache Longbow, hands down it is the smoothest and looks the coolest.

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                      • Illegal_Carrot

                        #41
                        Re: Hey DICE, Euro Forces blows. Want to know why?

                        I did not buy SF or EF. EA should NOT be charging for this stuff. They should finish a game before randomly charging for expansions.
                        Look at America's Army. They give so many great updates/downloads, and a great community. Not once while playing AA (I've been playing since v1.4, now they're at least on v2.5) have I had it randomly crash (crash-to-desktop, anyone?), while BF2 has more problems than anyone can fix, and the patches don't even fix them!

                        "BUT CARRIOT BF2 IS BETTAR!!"
                        If I could actually get BF2 to work, then yes, overall it would be better, but America's Army is 100% free.

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                        • ImgSunscreen

                          #42
                          Re: Hey DICE, Euro Forces blows. Want to know why?

                          Good post. You hit it head on dude...I've played less that 10 times. I was excited at first, but you soon realize the huge downfalls listed above.

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                          • Scykkz

                            #43
                            Re: Hey DICE, Euro Forces blows. Want to know why?

                            Thank you for your post, the only thing i liked about the expansion was the Euro guns but you can barely use them on the big maps and for the great wall I ALWAYS GET SNIPED. And I hope your message gets through about Armored Fury hopefully it won't suck MAJOR A$$HOLE.

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                            • Kahoona

                              #44
                              Re: Hey DICE, Euro Forces blows. Want to know why?

                              For the people saying BF2 is only about planes and tanks, if it is then why did EA add infantry? They could have saved a lot of time and just have a selection screen choosing your vehicle...

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                              • SyNn3R

                                #45
                                Re: Hey DICE, Euro Forces blows. Want to know why?

                                to those of you whinning like little girls about how there's supposed to be infantry only maps.. **** OFF. it's about modern combat and i don't recall any recent wars that were all infantry based... not to mention that most of you played bf1942.. why on earth would you assume they make an infantry only map?? Although in one way i agree with you, however the side i see it on is that SF should have been infantry & transport only.. since WHEN did a special forces team have a huuuge ass chopper??

                                side note.. EA, fix all this utter crap. stop with the whole new game & expansion pack until you can release something that doesn't have a million bugs, most of which mind you though started AFTER the patch that allieviated dolphin diving. FIX IT so you have a solid foundation to build it on, not just pile crap on an unstable game. i don't expect to get anything for free from EA.DICE other than the games i've already paid for working. And wtf is up with SF anyways? why did i spend time going for awards that require 250 hrs per team if by the time i get to the first one the game will no longer be in exsistance??

                                ^^ my 2 cents

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