Recent ATI to nVidia convert: Some questions about Quality

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  • Jofaba

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    Recent ATI to nVidia convert: Some questions about Quality

    I recently held my breath and clicked "Submit" on Newegg and purchased a combo deal by eVGA. A SLi mobo and a 7800gt videocard for about $350. This was very hard for me to do because just four months earlier I had paid $420 for my agp X850XT PE and $90 for my Asus A8V. But I was having a lot of problems and wasn't happy.

    Everything arrived, I installed, and was in heaven. Framerates shot through the roof, gameplay was very fluid and clean, and I've been enjoying gaming a lot more. I've now had the system for nearly a week and I'm still playing around with it. But there's some things I've noticed that are starting to bite at the back of my brain a little bit. I appreciate any feedback as long as it's constructive and usefull. I really don't want any obligatory stagnant ATI vs NVIDIA bickering to take place here.

    1) My Xtreme Music still has static and pops in BF2. I really haven't played many other games yet to see if my old problem is still existing (on my second XFI card now. Forum of events so far is here:

    http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49941 )

    2) Picture quality and crispness seems degraded. Games in general seem slightly cartoonish (textures aren't as apparent) and washed out. This is especially apparent in HL2. It almost seems like I'm running at medium settings, but everything is maxed out and at 1600x1200.

    3) Settings missing. For example, the highest anti-aliasing in BF2 is 4X. But with ATI it's 6X. Even at 1600x1200 I notice the jaggies. It's especially noticable in the first l evel of the FEAR demo when you walk towards the yellow handrails to go down into the sewer/lower level (just befor eyou see the girl for the first time). 1600x1200 brings my fps down too low, and at the highest anti-aliasing and 1280x1024 its flickery and jaggy until I'm right up on it.

    4) COD2 demo: is there a heat effect on the sand? I never noticed it with my ati card (probably because I was at all medium/low settings). If there is,it looks great, but if there isn't, what's going on with my card? Lots of wavy patterns that come and go depending on what angle I'm turned.

    5) Just as with ATI, I honestly see no peformance boost with overclocking. Running coolbits 2.0 and slowly increasing my overclock slightly above the highest stock overclocking I've seen in advertised 7800gt cards (470/1.2ghz) gave no fps increase or otherwise peformance boost, except for in 3DMark05, where I saw a 300pt increase.

    6) Simply because I'm asking questions about nVidia, and unfortunately haven't had much time to research further than I have so far, could someone explain the difference between 8x and 16x SLi? Is it all just a SLi version of anti-aliasing? Because 8X is pretty high all in itself. Is 16X really necissary? I ask because this mobo does one card at 16x, and then downgrades to 8x when you run in SLi. Will SLi actually run slightly slower than a single card then?

    Again, I appreciate any help. I also appologize if this is a repeated thread topic. I did do a search, but I never have much luck with this site's search options. Thank you.
  • CaptJordus

    #2
    Re: Recent ATI to nVidia convert: Some questions about Quality

    The 16x/8x SLI is in reference to BUS speed, and has nothing to do with the AF.

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    • Jofaba

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      Re: Recent ATI to nVidia convert: Some questions about Quality

      Yeah, all I could find with some quick research were links like these:

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      • sackynut

        #4
        Re: Recent ATI to nVidia convert: Some questions about Quality

        ATi gets a 6x AA feature what the hell!?!?!?

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        • Sir. MatDef
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          • Sep 2005
          • 2899

          #5
          Re: Recent ATI to nVidia convert: Some questions about Quality

          Originally posted by sackynut
          ATi gets a 6x AA feature what the hell!?!?!?
          Yeah, hl2 allows me to use 6xAA, but for some reason bf2 won't. It's just another error that won't ever be fixed.

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          • BoloMarkXXX

            #6
            Re: Recent ATI to nVidia convert: Some questions about Quality

            Try make'n a Application profile for BF2 & force settings on the card but if you force a setting like AA or AF turn off the setting ingame.

            http://www.tweakguides.com/NVFORCE_6.html read this on how to

            I use a profile for BF2, selecting Highest Quality automaticly turns off AA & AF optmizations that when on can affect IQ. I force AA & AF
            and others stuff to make BF2 look its best.

            Oh 1 more thing App profiles that you make are stored in a file in the C:\Windows\system32 folder called " nvapps.xml " there are hidden profiles there to for SLI settups you can view with any text editor & alter if your brave. I delete some of the visible 1's out of mine to clean up the drop down list.

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            • [DC]M4guy624

              #7
              Re: Recent ATI to nVidia convert: Some questions about Quality

              Originally posted by Sir. MatDef
              Yeah, hl2 allows me to use 6xAA, but for some reason bf2 won't. It's just another error that won't ever be fixed.
              if you select 6xAA it wont apply it.

              2) Picture quality and crispness seems degraded. Games in general seem slightly cartoonish (textures aren't as apparent) and washed out. This is especially apparent in HL2. It almost seems like I'm running at medium settings, but everything is maxed out and at 1600x1200.

              3) Settings missing. For example, the highest anti-aliasing in BF2 is 4X. But with ATI it's 6X. Even at 1600x1200 I notice the jaggies. It's especially noticable in the first l evel of the FEAR demo when you walk towards the yellow handrails to go down into the sewer/lower level (just befor eyou see the girl for the first time). 1600x1200 brings my fps down too low, and at the highest anti-aliasing and 1280x1024 its flickery and jaggy until I'm right up on it.

              4) COD2 demo: is there a heat effect on the sand? I never noticed it with my ati card (probably because I was at all medium/low settings). If there is,it looks great, but if there isn't, what's going on with my card? Lots of wavy patterns that come and go depending on what angle I'm turned.
              point 2. go to the driver options and slide the antisotropic quality bar to high quality (quality is optimized and looks crappy), nvidias default driver settings has alot of optimizations so crank everything and it will look as good as ATI

              point 3. NV hardware does not support 6xAA

              Poin 4: yes its a heat effect

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              • rombaft

                #8
                Re: Recent ATI to nVidia convert: Some questions about Quality

                as for ingame quality, and AA or AF , some games limit those values, you better overrules the ingame settings by your driver .

                Go to your properties, then advanced, then look where you can adjust your profiles and give your games some profiles, like 8x AAF and 2 or 4x AA .

                About OC'ing and noticing performance, well, this is very dificult, you will have performance gain, but you won't exactly see it on your FPS drirectly, OC'ing does give you more power to the screen, and this can result in less FPS drops , FPS drops aren't so big, FPS is more stable and does not drops on the moment there are some explosions going on or something like this.

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                • FlatStik

                  #9
                  Re: Recent ATI to nVidia convert: Some questions about Quality

                  4xAA with a 7800 thats wierd considering i had a AGP 6800GT and had 6XAA.

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                  • knghtwhosaysni

                    #10
                    Re: Recent ATI to nVidia convert: Some questions about Quality

                    Since almost everything else has been answered, I'll try to help with the XtremeMusic. Here is what I did when I got mine:
                    1. Install drivers from the CD
                    2. Install drivers from Creative's website (I did not uninstall the old ones)
                    3. You can try the same settings that I use: CMSS3d is enabled with "Auto" upmix, stereo envelopment at 50%. 24-bit Crystalizer enabled and at 50%. SVM is disabled, EAX is enabled and at 1.6 dB. Mic Environment FX is at 0% (don't use a mic yet, so that might have to be different for you). Bass redirection is enabled at set at 100hz. Subwoofer gain is enabled. This is all on Game mode and a 5.1 setup. If it makes any difference, I use the X-Fi console that was installed from the divers on your CD (the driver from the website installs a less prettier X-Fi console). In-game sound is set on X-Fi, Ultra High, and EAX is enabled.

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                    • Annihilator

                      #11
                      Re: Recent ATI to nVidia convert: Some questions about Quality

                      IN COD 2 its the heat thing on sand. LOL i get that with 6600GT.

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                      • Hephaistion

                        #12
                        Re: Recent ATI to nVidia convert: Some questions about Quality

                        I get the popping noise sometimes as well.

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                        • Sweetmate

                          #13
                          Re: Recent ATI to nVidia convert: Some questions about Quality

                          Popping with BF2 and x-fi is related to teamspeak for me. If I play without teamspeak running, my sound is perfect, with teamspeak running i get glitches and pops. No use to me as a solution as I'm always on TS when I'm playing.

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                          • Espion

                            #14
                            Re: Recent ATI to nVidia convert: Some questions about Quality

                            Originally posted by rombaft
                            Go to your properties, then advanced, then look where you can adjust your profiles and give your games some profiles, like 8x AAF and 2 or 4x AA .
                            Make sure you have AA/AF turned off in the internal game settings if you do this. Try setting the Image quality to max in the profile too.

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                            • Jofaba

                              #15
                              Re: Recent ATI to nVidia convert: Some questions about Quality

                              With v1.2 I'm actually very close to giving up. If I can't get BF2 to work by Friday I'm going to sell either my computer as a whole or piece by piece on ebay. I'm sick of trying so hard and spending so much to be aggrivated by patch installs and bad programming. $135 on a soundcard that sounds like Rice Crispies, $700 on videocards that can't max out graphics, $50 per game that requires patch after patch after patch which fails and never fixes a problem once it finally works. I'm finally sick and tired of all the work. I have fulltime job and get maybe 5 hours of freetime. Lately it's all been given to trying and make my $2,500+ computer to play bf2 at high specs. IT's starting to get rediculous.

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