$240 to spend on a PC upgrade. WHAT SHOULD I GET?

[CaptJordus]

Re: $240 to spend on a PC upgrade. WHAT SHOULD I GET?

Well if you have a decent motherboard and a newer AMD core revision then the only hit you will take from filling all 4 DIMMs is the 2T command rate. That is only a 0-5% performance loss, which even with that loss it crushes Intels memory controllers performance. AMD's memory controller is so much faster that you could cut it's performance in half and it would still beat Intel's.

On-die vs not is hard to compare though. The winner is obvious in that scenario again and again.

I use a 754 socket 3400+ Clawhammer.

Asus K8VSE- Deluxe was the board with the dimm ****z.

[Regent]

Re: $240 to spend on a PC upgrade. WHAT SHOULD I GET?

AMD outperforms a similar Intel on gaming applications by a decent margin. But on nothing else.

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=197&type=expert

This is a gaming forum, BTW.

Intel makes a FANTASTIC chip for reliability and power in everything else but gaming.

Intel makes chips that run too hot, and consume too much power per processor for server applications, so that half of their business is going into the toilet. As far as performance goes, AMD leads the pack, period:

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=197&type=expert

[CaptJordus]

Re: $240 to spend on a PC upgrade. WHAT SHOULD I GET?

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=197&type=expert

This is a gaming forum, BTW.



Intel makes chips that run too hot, and consume too much power per processor for server applications, so that half of their business is going into the toilet. As far as performance goes, AMD leads the pack, period:

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=197&type=expert

Yes, lets posts benchmarks of chips that arent even comparable in most respects.

Why? Intel releases the EE chips to compete with AMD's top of the line, in predominately the gaming realm, and the EE's seem to just flat suck at most everything.

There ARE cool running CPU's that intel makes btw. Yonel (sp?) anyone? very cool and very low power consumption.

Intel still makes a good chip. Granted, they have lost some major headway in the market holdings the last quarter, but i dont think they will stay down forever. AMD is simply an Intel clone and Intel still controls mass amounts of the market and the leading engineers in the industry. They will probably come back with something great in the next couple years.

Not to mention, Intel is getting rich off of making processors for Macs now.

Remember, ive never said AMDs were bad, or worse than intels. General reviews tend to point to the Intels for anything but gaming. and AMDs for gaming, plus will hold their own during other uses.

Like ive said before, ill stop beleiving in Intel making the most reliable chip when 1. my personal experiences point this way. 2. NASA and the rest of the federal government stop using Intel exclusively.

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Re: $240 to spend on a PC upgrade. WHAT SHOULD I GET?

Like ive said before, ill stop beleiving in Intel making the most reliable chip when 1. my personal experiences point this way. 2. NASA and the rest of the federal government stop using Intel exclusively.

There ya go! The government ONLY buys products because they are the most reliable. Never because they're the cheapest.:hmm:

[Regent]

Re: $240 to spend on a PC upgrade. WHAT SHOULD I GET?

I never said AMD didnt make a great chip, never said they werent fast.

Benchmarks still show Intel being the better chip for business type settings. As far as spreadsheets and other business related tasking goes.

My God, you are a persistent Intel Fanboy. Intel doesn't beat AMD at ANYTHING, ANYWHERE. Post up some benchmarks and reviews, or some technical data to back up your absurd claims, why don't you?!

[CaptJordus]

Re: $240 to spend on a PC upgrade. WHAT SHOULD I GET?

Cause im not gonna waste anymore time arguing with some kid?

Im far from a fanboy.

I guess i love intel so much that every PC in my home is AMD powered, huh?

AMD makes a better chip for the average consumer.

If you need something that is going to go day in day out under load with absolutely near zero problems, i dont think an AMD will cut it.

Apparently the government doesnt either.

[CaptJordus]

Re: $240 to spend on a PC upgrade. WHAT SHOULD I GET?

There ya go! The government ONLY buys products because they are the most reliable. Never because they're the cheapest.:hmm:

Because we all know that Intel's are priced so much lower than AMDs


They have a leasing agreement with Intel, but id be sure they went with them for a reason.

Also, looking at things from a strictly professional point of view. (maintaining corporations/businesses websites and networks/systems. Intel is the obvious choice.

If you'd get off your 12 year old pimply-kid forum knowledge for a bit, you could take some real courses and understand things from a business standpoint.

Anyway im done arguing with you. You can also stop trying to follow each thread I post in, trolling is gay.

[imported_Wreck]

Re: $240 to spend on a PC upgrade. WHAT SHOULD I GET?

They have a leasing agreement with Intel, but id be sure they went with them for a reason.

Also, looking at things from a strictly professional point of view. (maintaining corporations/businesses websites and networks/systems. Intel is the obvious choice.

If you'd get off your 12 year old pimply-kid forum knowledge for a bit, you could take some real courses and understand things from a business standpoint.

Anyway im done arguing with you. You can also stop trying to follow each thread I post in, trolling is gay.

You know the real reason why Intel gets all the contracts? Here is your understanding things from a business standpoint.

Read up:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4629963.stm

"AMD said its lawsuit alleges that Intel has coerced customers away from dealing with AMD, and is based on evidence obtained from 38 companies. "

If Intel truly had a superior product they wouldn't have to resort to those kinds of practices.

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Re: $240 to spend on a PC upgrade. WHAT SHOULD I GET?

If you need something that is going to go day in day out under load with absolutely near zero problems, i dont think an AMD will cut it.
Apparently the government doesnt either.

That's what happens when governments make ignorant assumptions.

"Intel and AMD fans will argue until the cows come home as to the merits of their respective favoured chip makers' products, but anyone spending public money should be obliged to make the most of the taxpayers' revenues at their disposal, and buy according to independently determined price / performance figures."

The US government, and many others, have implemented new guidelines for contracts involving processors. Now that the playing field has been leveled, we'll just see how it goes:

http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/08/16/ukcontracts/index.php

"The U.K. has updated its guidelines for government IT procurement contracts, bringing them into line with European regulations that prohibit the public sector from discriminating against vendors in invitations for bids.

The move was applauded by Advanced Micro Devices Inc. (AMD), which said it would help level the playing field in the chip market in Europe. Some governments have been scolded by the European Union for stipulating chips from AMD rival Intel Corp. in their tender offers.
The guidelines, issued this month by the U.K.’s Office of Government Commerce (OGC), state that contracts for microprocessors, PCs and other computer equipment must use generic terms, such as “x86 processors,” and not request specific brands or clock speeds.
“The requirements for microprocessors must exclude any reference to brands (e.g. Intel, AMD),” the guidelines state.
They will become part of U.K. law from January 2006, although agencies are instructed to begin following the guidelines immediately, an OGC spokesman said.
Similar guidelines have been issued by the French, Italian, Swedish, German, Belgian, Japanese and U.S governments, AMD said in a statement.
They come as AMD pursues a broad antitrust suit against Intel in the U.S., accusing it of using its market heft to maintain a monopoly illegally. The European Commission, which is the E.U.’s antitrust enforcement arm, is also investigating Intel’s business conduct, along with authorities in Japan and South Korea.
Intel has denied any wrongdoing.
The European Union has said that governments must not discriminate against any vendor when they issue requests for tenders. Last year, it ordered at least six European countries to explain why they favored Intel processors in computers for public authorities.
Government’s can’t specify a brand name unless it is impossible to describe a product in any other way, and specifying a clock speed is not sufficient to indicate the required performance of a computer, the Commission has said.
AMD stopped quoting clock speeds as an indicator of chip performance a few years ago, saying other criteria provide a better measure of performance."
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Here's a story about Cray / AMD putting together a proposal for a US government contract mid-2006. Guess who's gonna win?


Cray To Base Next-Generation Supercomputers On AMD Opteron™ Processor Platform


http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~102426,00.html

[bloodbrood]

Re: $240 to spend on a PC upgrade. WHAT SHOULD I GET?

Intel still owns! (spam)