UAC, do you use it?

[Busby, Paul (Bicci)]

Re: UAC, do you use it?

well if you have got 40 years worth of reasons why its so useful why do you need to ask us our thoughts? :p

I havent played with the settings that much but im assuming you can set it to actually ask for a password rather than just offer up a 'are you really sure window?' which would be of benfit to mixed user mixed experienced level PCs as they would have to put the pass in to do something... although cant you do that with multi user PCs anyway right? Same thignas what you say with the server.

I can definately see the advantages your talking about and will definately have a play when 7 comes out see what i think but I had been runnign without virus software for about a year, put it onbefore i reformatted and moved to Vista out of curiosity and i was totally clean same as always. I know i am takin a risk but i dont really download anything im even slightly suspicious of. Maybe if i used my PC for anything critical i would think about it but i do everything totally important on my macbook pro and store it on an encrypted rugged pen drive and anything semi important is copied on all three of my machines so i always have a backup.

Besides which, I use my mac and linux box now more anyway so its not something i deal with regualy.

[Flt. Sgt. Powderhound]

Re: UAC, do you use it?

I reserve the right to destroy my PC.

[imported_Joey]

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Disabled.

[=98=]

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It's just downright annoying in Vista. Can't comment on Windows 7 though.

[AlecJ32]

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It would only be useful in that situation if they enabled "Prompting with Credentials", since most incapable users aren't going to know what to do when the prompt comes up, and will likely just click "Continue" anyways, thus allowing every program that asks for elevated privileges to be granted such privileges.

I havent played with the settings that much but im assuming you can set it to actually ask for a password rather than just offer up a 'are you really sure window?' which would be of benfit to mixed user mixed experienced level PCs as they would have to put the pass in to do something... although cant you do that with multi user PCs anyway right?

That's what I meant by "Prompting With Credentials". You have to put in an administrator password in order to allow the action to continue.

Besides which, I use my mac and linux box now more anyway so its not something i deal with regualy.

But OS X is Open Group certified as Unix, so I imagine you'd still need to elevate your user privileges to do things that would normally require superuser rights, so wouldn't it be roughly the same as UAC? Linux has a very similar policy, and most distros do not allow you to even log in as the root user, and require you to use su - or sudo commands to do anything that requires admin rights. I don't see how that'd be any less annoying than UAC, though Linux's permission system can be a little more flexible provided you're willing to go that far.

[CptainCrunch]

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I dont mind it in Windows 7, but thats because its practically turned off. I turned it off in Vista and went even further and set it up so that it uses admin rights by default to install.

Crunch

[invicta ging3r]

Re: UAC, do you use it?

Never realised you could turn it off :o

Just tried, but couldnt get COD4 to load at all :s
So if anyone knows how to get around that issue, then im going to very happily turn it off

[Busby, Paul (Bicci)]

Re: UAC, do you use it?

But OS X is Open Group certified as Unix, so I imagine you'd still need to elevate your user privileges to do things that would normally require superuser rights, so wouldn't it be roughly the same as UAC? Linux has a very similar policy, and most distros do not allow you to even log in as the root user, and require you to use su - or sudo commands to do anything that requires admin rights. I don't see how that'd be any less annoying than UAC, though Linux's permission system can be a little more flexible provided you're willing to go that far.

It is very similar yes but a lot of applications you would need come preinstalled with OSX and a lot of those that dont, dont even need any extra privileges. You just copy the app into the app folder, double click and it runs. Even when they do its usually just a single pop up asking for your password (same with the distros of linux i have used) then off it goes. Wheras, my experience with UAC was at least 2 dialogs then you have the normal windows 'are you sure dialogues and it was just too much for me. Maybe i am remembering it worse than it was :/ My problem isnt with an extra pop up it is the sheer volume of popups that it creates added to the already quite excessive amount that come with windows. Doing things in BASH is a totally different experience IMO as its just text in one window but it does raise a question for me, how does UAC deal with cmd?

[Kreepy Kitteh =^o.O^=]

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Turned it off, twas annoying..

[CaptainKirk]

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To clarify what abj said earlier, you don't need to put in a password if you are logged in as administrator, but you do if you are logged in as a regular user.

[AlecJ32]

Re: UAC, do you use it?

It is very similar yes but a lot of applications you would need come preinstalled with OSX and a lot of those that dont, dont even need any extra privileges. You just copy the app into the app folder, double click and it runs. Even when they do its usually just a single pop up asking for your password (same with the distros of linux i have used) then off it goes. Wheras, my experience with UAC was at least 2 dialogs then you have the normal windows 'are you sure dialogues and it was just too much for me. Maybe i am remembering it worse than it was :/ My problem isnt with an extra pop up it is the sheer volume of popups that it creates added to the already quite excessive amount that come with windows.

Sounds like you're either remembering wrong or you've got your permissions set poorly. UAC prompts should only come up when you're either installing something, modifying system files, or changing a system setting. If you're launching a program, UAC should not come up. When UAC does come up, it should be only a single prompt asking for your permission to continue, unless you have UAC set to "Prompt With Credentials" or are running as a non-admin, in which case it would ask for a password.

Doing things in BASH is a totally different experience IMO as its just text in one window but it does raise a question for me, how does UAC deal with cmd?

Well, since cmd is a binary application, and runs from a .exe file, it probably deals with it the exact same way it deals with every other executable program.

[Busby, Paul (Bicci)]

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so it wouldnt come up with the prompt in the cmd window, it would do the whole fade out the sceen and pop up?

Thats a bit poo really

[AvalancheDiode]

Re: UAC, do you use it?

I often venture into dangerous websites, and I prefer UAV with higher security setting.

[[MyIS]Dan]

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I often venture into dangerous websites, and I prefer UAV with higher security setting.

That show red dots on your screen of bad things? :laugh:

If you do go on "dangerous websites" I would advise a good anti virus.

[AlecJ32]

Re: UAC, do you use it?

Aside from the risk of malicious scripts and code already being present, 'bad-sites' are often the targets of SQL Injection Attacks, and they're really not a good place to hang out, regardless of whether or not you use UAC or real-time anti-virus protection software.