Intel the King? That's not what it says here.

Re: Intel the King? That's not what it says here.

That still doesn't prove anything; the article I found still is correct in the sense that Conroe is essentially useless to just about everyone unless you have utlra high-end video. Even if you do, so what? Your games run amazing anyway and games aren't CPU bound barely at all nowadays...1000$ for a top of the line Conroe when I can take a good old FX-55/X2 for half that!

Yea but you have to realize that you can get better and equal performance with the lowest E6300 for 184$ the X6800 EE will be about 1000$ whereas the E6700 500$ and the E6600 316$ now all of these CPU's give any AMD cpu a run for it's money. At 316$ you can get the third fastest consumer CPU without a 1000$ price tag or after price cuts 800$.

Also as an intel preschott user the new C2D cpu's offer a great performance boost. But I do see where you are comming from the sence that you can upgrade to a better AMD cpu after price cuts. Maybe for the fraction of the cost not sure if you have AM2 or whatnot. Some AMD users see the fact that they would have to purchase a new mothboard that supports the Conroe and also new memory.

The price for jumping platforms is just not feasable to them so they take advantage of the AMD price cuts and keep their current Mobo and ram.

As for me I need a new Motherboard for the upgrade which is not that big of a deal once the motherboards (Nforce5) become available I will spend under 100$ for a decent board (ECS maybe).

Re: Intel the King? That's not what it says here.

That still doesn't prove anything; the article I found still is correct in the sense that Conroe is essentially useless to just about everyone unless you have utlra high-end video. Even if you do, so what? Your games run amazing anyway and games aren't CPU bound barely at all nowadays...1000$ for a top of the line Conroe when I can take a good old FX-55/X2 for half that!

Re: Intel the King? That's not what it says here.

Congradulations, you found the 1 article that pathetically attempts to even the playing field between AMD and Intel. The only problem is that anyone who knows anything about computers knows that that article was purely a GPU test that he attempted to sell as a CPU test. Please take a look at a few cited examples of what the rest of the world is saying:

Game Over? Core 2 Duo Knocks Out Athlon 64, Tom’s Hardware
“Core 2 Duo Is the new king”
“So fasten your seatbelts, because Core 2 Duo is the new high-flyer.”
“Core 2 Duo shall become the undisputed leader in performance and performance per Watt”
“As soon as Core 2 Duo hits the market, it will outperform the complete Athlon 64 family (X2 and FX) in all areas, including gaming, where AMD has traditionally been very strong”

Intel's Core 2 Extreme & Core 2 Duo: The Empire Strikes Back, Anandtech
“Today is the real deal. We've all been waiting for this day, the day Intel lifts the last remaining curtain on the chip that is designed to re-take the performance crown from AMD, to return Intel to its days of glory.”
“You're instead looking at the most impressive piece of silicon the world has ever seen, at the fastest desktop processor we've ever tested. What you're looking at is Conroe and today is its birthday.”
“Intel's Core 2 Extreme X6800 didn't lose a single benchmark in our comparison, not a single one.”
“Compared to AMD's Athlon 64 the situation gets a lot more competitive, but AMD still doesn't stand a chance.”
“Intel's Core 2 processors will give you a very good reason to upgrade this year.”

First "Conroe" Core 2 PC Delivers Amazing Benchmark Results, PC Magazine Online
“The Falcon Northwest Mach V runs Intel's long-awaited Core 2 processor (formerly known as Conroe). It's the new desktop performance champ, and the one others will be chasing around the track for quite a while.”
“Jaw-dropping speed. Quieter than some of the competition.”

The Core 2: Intel Goes for the Jugular, Extremetech
“For the near term, Core 2 looks like the must-have CPU for enthusiast and mainstream user alike. http://www.pcmag.com/category2/0,1874,1988714,00.asp“
“Core 2 looks like a winner, and will likely be the shiny new bauble that performance enthusiasts love to have dangled in front of them. We're certainly impressed with what we've seen—high performance and low power utilization”

Intel's New Core 2 Duo Processors Run Blazingly Fast in PC World Tests, PC World
“Exclusive PC World tests show that PCs equipped with Intel's new Core 2 Duo processors, formerly code-named Conroe, set new high marks for desktop performance--they're the fastest we've seen by far.”
“Both of the Intel setups bested the AMD-based system on every test in our WorldBench 5 suite as well as on every one of our gaming tests”
“Intel has produced a winner with its Core Duo 2 design; and for the first time in years, the company holds a clear performance advantage over its longtime rival, AMD.”

Intel’s AMD Killer-Core 2 Duo, GD Hardware
“But this is where their (AMD’s) little parade comes to a screeching halt – why? Because in the most simplistic of terms, Conroe (dubbed Core 2 Duo) kicks the Athlon64 right in the balls and doesn’t look back.”
“Make no mistake about it, they have unleashed a series of new processors that are going to make AMD’s life really uncomfortable for the foreseeable future.”
“AM2 should be called AMwho? A band-aid fix at best, AMD’s current crop of CPUs simply can’t compete with Core 2 Duo when you consider they’re priced about the same.”
“Kudos to Intel for getting it right and not just baby-stepping us into the next realm of performance but really handing AMD its *** on a silver platter. We’re performance nuts around here and appreciate the school-of-hard-knocks Intel has gone through with P4. It’s nice to see AMD eat some crow for awhile.”:shock:

Intel Core 2 Duo & Extreme Processors and Chipsets, Hothardware.com
“In every benchmark we ran, both of the Core 2 processors we tested outperformed the Athlon 64 FX-62 and Athlon 64 5000+”
“Intel's Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme are almost here, and they seem to be everything Intel promised and then some.”
“Make no mistake, the Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme are very real, and their performance is undeniable.”

Intel's Core 2 Duo and Extreme processors, Techreport.com
“After many hours of testing, we're pleased to report that the Core 2 chips live up to the hype. Intel has recovered its stride, returned to its winning ways, gotten its groove back, and put the izzle back in its shizzle”
“After years of wandering in the wilderness, Intel has recaptured the desktop CPU performance title in dramatic fashion.”
“…the big story here is that Intel has replaced its troubled Netburst microarchitecture with a world-beater. The Core microarchitecture and the chips based on it are a huge improvement, and a fitting end to the era of the Pentium”

Intel Core 2 Music, Images, & Movie Performance, HardOCP
“Intel is back in the ring and a certain contender when it comes to high-powered desktop computing. I have not found any negative aspects to Core 2 at all. If you are buying a new computer system or doing a major upgrade, Intel Core 2 Duo or Extreme should be at the top of your list.”
“There is no doubt that when it comes to editing video, manipulating images, or encoding music, the Intel Core 2 Duo and Extreme processors at 2.66GHz and above currently enjoy a healthy performance advantage over AMD’s Athlon FX and Athlon 64 line of processors. Moreover, I would be remiss if I did not mention the Core 2 Duo and Extreme also do a great job of making the Pentium 4 look like a dinosaur.”

Awesome: Intel's Core 2 Duo chips, CNET

AMD chips hammered by Intel Conroe, The Inquirer

Intel Unleashes Conroe: X6800 and E6700 Reviewed, Legit Reviews
“Let Me Introduce The New King Of The Hill: Conroe”
” Intel has hit a home run with their lastest core and has them ramped up and ready to roll out the door.*“
“*It is because of this*and the fact that Intel has taken the*performance lead back from AMD that we*gladly award the*Intel Conroe"*processor the Legit Reviews Editor's Choice!”

Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 & Core 2 Duo E6700 Processor Review, Sharky Extreme
“The launch of the Core 2 processor line has hit the market with a bang, and offers up an incredible combination of performance and value, coupled with low heat and power specifications. These processors are so good, that it's difficult to highlight any real negatives. The Core 2 Extreme and Duo processors offer record-breaking performance, industry leading power specs, and are priced so that virtually anyone can afford one. It has been a long time since we have seen a processor walk over the competition like this, and we should all thank AMD for bringing out the very best from Intel, as well as proving that competition does indeed work.”

Core 2 Duo is Here! Gamespot
“Intel's new Core 2 processors deliver the performance gains we expect from a new technology release. The Core 2 is especially noteworthy because it's the first Intel processor release that actually outperforms AMD's powerful Athlon 64 line.”
“the $530 Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 also beat our overclocked Athlon 64 FX-60 in every single game test with processor-focused settings. PC game enthusiasts can proudly display their Intel Inside case badges once again (as long as they say "Core 2" on them).”

You think im an Intel "fanboy"? What, do you think im like 15? The word for people like me is "share holder"...:laugh:

:shock:

Re: Intel the King? That's not what it says here.

Congradulations, you found the 1 article that pathetically attempts to even the playing field between AMD and Intel.

Actually there is another:

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/365/1/

Re: Intel the King? That's not what it says here.

Congradulations, you found the 1 article that pathetically attempts to even the playing field between AMD and Intel. The only problem is that anyone who knows anything about computers knows that that article was purely a GPU test that he attempted to sell as a CPU test. Please take a look at a few cited examples of what the rest of the world is saying:

Game Over? Core 2 Duo Knocks Out Athlon 64, Tom’s Hardware
“Core 2 Duo Is the new king”
“So fasten your seatbelts, because Core 2 Duo is the new high-flyer.”
“Core 2 Duo shall become the undisputed leader in performance and performance per Watt”
“As soon as Core 2 Duo hits the market, it will outperform the complete Athlon 64 family (X2 and FX) in all areas, including gaming, where AMD has traditionally been very strong”

Intel's Core 2 Extreme & Core 2 Duo: The Empire Strikes Back, Anandtech
“Today is the real deal. We've all been waiting for this day, the day Intel lifts the last remaining curtain on the chip that is designed to re-take the performance crown from AMD, to return Intel to its days of glory.”
“You're instead looking at the most impressive piece of silicon the world has ever seen, at the fastest desktop processor we've ever tested. What you're looking at is Conroe and today is its birthday.”
“Intel's Core 2 Extreme X6800 didn't lose a single benchmark in our comparison, not a single one.”
“Compared to AMD's Athlon 64 the situation gets a lot more competitive, but AMD still doesn't stand a chance.”
“Intel's Core 2 processors will give you a very good reason to upgrade this year.”

First "Conroe" Core 2 PC Delivers Amazing Benchmark Results, PC Magazine Online
“The Falcon Northwest Mach V runs Intel's long-awaited Core 2 processor (formerly known as Conroe). It's the new desktop performance champ, and the one others will be chasing around the track for quite a while.”
“Jaw-dropping speed. Quieter than some of the competition.”

The Core 2: Intel Goes for the Jugular, Extremetech
“For the near term, Core 2 looks like the must-have CPU for enthusiast and mainstream user alike. http://www.pcmag.com/category2/0,1874,1988714,00.asp“
“Core 2 looks like a winner, and will likely be the shiny new bauble that performance enthusiasts love to have dangled in front of them. We're certainly impressed with what we've seen—high performance and low power utilization”

Intel's New Core 2 Duo Processors Run Blazingly Fast in PC World Tests, PC World
“Exclusive PC World tests show that PCs equipped with Intel's new Core 2 Duo processors, formerly code-named Conroe, set new high marks for desktop performance--they're the fastest we've seen by far.”
“Both of the Intel setups bested the AMD-based system on every test in our WorldBench 5 suite as well as on every one of our gaming tests”
“Intel has produced a winner with its Core Duo 2 design; and for the first time in years, the company holds a clear performance advantage over its longtime rival, AMD.”

Intel’s AMD Killer-Core 2 Duo, GD Hardware
“But this is where their (AMD’s) little parade comes to a screeching halt – why? Because in the most simplistic of terms, Conroe (dubbed Core 2 Duo) kicks the Athlon64 right in the balls and doesn’t look back.”
“Make no mistake about it, they have unleashed a series of new processors that are going to make AMD’s life really uncomfortable for the foreseeable future.”
“AM2 should be called AMwho? A band-aid fix at best, AMD’s current crop of CPUs simply can’t compete with Core 2 Duo when you consider they’re priced about the same.”
“Kudos to Intel for getting it right and not just baby-stepping us into the next realm of performance but really handing AMD its *** on a silver platter. We’re performance nuts around here and appreciate the school-of-hard-knocks Intel has gone through with P4. It’s nice to see AMD eat some crow for awhile.”

Intel Core 2 Duo & Extreme Processors and Chipsets, Hothardware.com
“In every benchmark we ran, both of the Core 2 processors we tested outperformed the Athlon 64 FX-62 and Athlon 64 5000+”
“Intel's Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme are almost here, and they seem to be everything Intel promised and then some.”
“Make no mistake, the Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme are very real, and their performance is undeniable.”

Intel's Core 2 Duo and Extreme processors, Techreport.com
“After many hours of testing, we're pleased to report that the Core 2 chips live up to the hype. Intel has recovered its stride, returned to its winning ways, gotten its groove back, and put the izzle back in its shizzle”
“After years of wandering in the wilderness, Intel has recaptured the desktop CPU performance title in dramatic fashion.”
“…the big story here is that Intel has replaced its troubled Netburst microarchitecture with a world-beater. The Core microarchitecture and the chips based on it are a huge improvement, and a fitting end to the era of the Pentium”

Intel Core 2 Music, Images, & Movie Performance, HardOCP
“Intel is back in the ring and a certain contender when it comes to high-powered desktop computing. I have not found any negative aspects to Core 2 at all. If you are buying a new computer system or doing a major upgrade, Intel Core 2 Duo or Extreme should be at the top of your list.”
“There is no doubt that when it comes to editing video, manipulating images, or encoding music, the Intel Core 2 Duo and Extreme processors at 2.66GHz and above currently enjoy a healthy performance advantage over AMD’s Athlon FX and Athlon 64 line of processors. Moreover, I would be remiss if I did not mention the Core 2 Duo and Extreme also do a great job of making the Pentium 4 look like a dinosaur.”

Awesome: Intel's Core 2 Duo chips, CNET

AMD chips hammered by Intel Conroe, The Inquirer

Intel Unleashes Conroe: X6800 and E6700 Reviewed, Legit Reviews
“Let Me Introduce The New King Of The Hill: Conroe”
” Intel has hit a home run with their lastest core and has them ramped up and ready to roll out the door.*“
“*It is because of this*and the fact that Intel has taken the*performance lead back from AMD that we*gladly award the*Intel Conroe"*processor the Legit Reviews Editor's Choice!”

Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 & Core 2 Duo E6700 Processor Review, Sharky Extreme
“The launch of the Core 2 processor line has hit the market with a bang, and offers up an incredible combination of performance and value, coupled with low heat and power specifications. These processors are so good, that it's difficult to highlight any real negatives. The Core 2 Extreme and Duo processors offer record-breaking performance, industry leading power specs, and are priced so that virtually anyone can afford one. It has been a long time since we have seen a processor walk over the competition like this, and we should all thank AMD for bringing out the very best from Intel, as well as proving that competition does indeed work.”

Core 2 Duo is Here! Gamespot
“Intel's new Core 2 processors deliver the performance gains we expect from a new technology release. The Core 2 is especially noteworthy because it's the first Intel processor release that actually outperforms AMD's powerful Athlon 64 line.”
“the $530 Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 also beat our overclocked Athlon 64 FX-60 in every single game test with processor-focused settings. PC game enthusiasts can proudly display their Intel Inside case badges once again (as long as they say "Core 2" on them).”

You think im an Intel "fanboy"? What, do you think im like 15? The word for people like me is "share holder"...:laugh:

Re: Intel the King? That's not what it says here.

Why is Flanker banned!

It's probably because he can't control his temper. Anyone can clearly see that one Pimp guy was just joking around.

Conroe FTW!

Re: Intel the King? That's not what it says here.

Yeah, I think the future of computer gaming is very difficult to predict.

How many people spend 5000 dollars on some new processor or graphics card equipped computer, when older ones do the same thing anyway? Other than to brag about it on support forums :)

Frankly, I think all the upgrading was almost solely BF2's consequence. Nvidia owes BF2 probably all or nearly all of its sales after BF2s release to BF2.

Otherwise, what games are there that people care about? Prey? Some new quake or doom? Well yeah, 15 people care about both, but not millions.

I dont like the direction consoles are going either....more buggy, more patches, that sort of thing.

To me its the infinite replayability and great graphics of BF2, along with RTW and Dawn of war that keep PC gaming afloat.

Re: Intel the King? That's not what it says here.

There were a couple posters doing a bunch of flaming in the "Updated AMD Prices" thread, that's what I think they got banned for.

Re: Intel the King? That's not what it says here.

Benchmarks need to show the minimum framerate aswell that will help people knowing well if I get this new CPU and that video card I can expect a high framerate of 85 and a low of about 50.

Why is Flanker banned!

Re: Intel the King? That's not what it says here.

I think my take on this is that yes, games may not show massive performance improvements with a Conroe, however they are still great CPU's and a damn good choice if you're making a new computer, whereas Netburst was teh poop.

I personally also do a bunch of converting (music and videos for my iPod), so Conroe's performance there is really nice.

Re: Intel the King? That's not what it says here.

er are they realy banned

this was a great thread!!! absolutely loved it
I learned a lot from this and also got a few laughs, Conroe is a unicorn haha:laugh:

As long as the arguements stay in one thread I don't see the problem

[caseman]

Re: Intel the King? That's not what it says here.

Okay, well from what I've seen here, Conroe will benefit almost no-one unless they have a super high-end video card solution. The thing is that Conroe will not offer much for these high-enders anyway because they can already run everything maxed out without lag...several hundred dollars for like...5FPS? And I'm already at 65FPS? No.

Pretty much. And with the price drops that are coming for AMD anyone with a current AMD rig can upgrade to a proc that will keep them happy for another year on the cheap.

If your looking to build a whole new rig though, the Conroe is an excellent option.

Re: Intel the King? That's not what it says here.

Okay, well from what I've seen here, Conroe will benefit almost no-one unless they have a super high-end video card solution. The thing is that Conroe will not offer much for these high-enders anyway because they can already run everything maxed out without lag...several hundred dollars for like...5FPS? And I'm already at 65FPS? No.

Re: Intel the King? That's not what it says here.

I want to see only one thing Flanker. I want you to show me MULTIthreaded benchmarks, that use BOTH of the cores. You seem to have a lot of graphs and benchmarks, so I am sure you can come up with this one.

Show one to me, and I will be quiet.

Re: Intel the King? That's not what it says here.

Lol, I wouldn't be talking about insults if I were you, since you've done little else than try to insult me in this thread.

You have no basis for your arguments but Bullsh*t that you've made up yourself, and interpreted wrongly at that, haha.

I laff at you.