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  • Flanker

    #31
    Re: R.i.p. S939

    Originally posted by rha600
    show me that "impressive" part in this.
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    there's nothing you see in that comparison that you wouldn't see anytime a company brings out a new design. it's not like it's doubled anything the AMD can do. now if it comes out and you can overclock it like crazy, then I'll be impressed.
    Alright. Look at this.



    Average Framerates, sounds like a good comparison.

    Now we're comparing a 2.66Ghz Conroe to a 2.8Ghz FX-62. We want to see the performance that the processors would reach at the same clockspeeds. The clockspeeds are 2.66Ghz for the Conroe and 2.8Ghz for the FX-62. We want to see what score the Conroe would reach at 2.8Ghz. So we take 2.8Ghz and divide it by 2.66Ghz. The number that comes out is 1.05. So we take the 125FPS that the Conroe got, and multiply it by 1.05 to see what score the Conroe would've gotten at the same clockspeed as the FX-62. 125 x 1.05 = 131.25. A significant increase, but all for the sake of fairness.

    Now, the FX-62 gets 100FPS at 2.8Ghz, and a 2.8Ghz Conroe is getting 131FPS. 131 divided by 100 would give you the ratio of how much better the Conroe is to the FX-62 at the same clockspeed. 131/100 = 1.31 -- You don't even need a calculator to do that.

    For anyone that read my really long post, you will see that that is exactly the same ratio that I presented earlier. It proves itself absolutely correct, yet again. Now we have a ratio. Now take the Athlon 64 X2 4800+. It runs at 2.4Ghz. Divide 2.4Ghz by 1.31 to get the clockspeed at which the Conroe would have to be to match the X2 4800+. 2.4 / 1.31 = 1.83Ghz Conroe. It would take a 1.83Ghz Conroe processor to match a 2.4Ghz Athlon 64 X2 4800+. Just like I said.

    I also mentioned this in my long post a while ago - these benchmarks are misleading. They show the Conroe processor dominating the Athlon 64, and at a lower clockspeed. There are practically no benchmarks that show the Conroe and Athlon 64 at the same clockspeed.

    Just so you know - I had never seen that benchmark before. But still, it showed exactly what I have seen in every other benchmark.

    And those benchmarks are at 1280x1024 on high settings! You're not even supposed to run CPU benchmarks in games on that high. The GPU usually becomes a bottleneck and doesn't show the true power of the processors. It didn't in this case, they were using a strong enough videocard to support that resolution. But you're supposed to look at the "low settings" benchmarks when comparing processors, since thats when their performance is rally shows.

    Originally posted by lil_jimmy_norton
    Just accept that people are still going to buy AMD processors, there's nothing you can do about it, so just get over it. People still bought Intel while AMD was outperfoming them, and the same will be true while Intel is on top.
    Those people are f*cking retards and stupid fanboys. Up until now, I thought you to be as far away from idiots like those as possible. Please don't make this one of the very few times I'm wrong.

    Originally posted by rha600
    wait til the reverse HT beats out the intel and they will all be jumping wagons. :p
    Intel also has Reverse HyperThreading built into the Conroe processor you little prick. Its called Core Multiplexing. It also lets 2 cores act like one superpowered Core. There won't be any jumping bandwagons.

    Like I said, Intel has done everything to grind K8 into the ground. INCLUDING having AMD's rumoured SuperTechnology.

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    • lil_jimmy_norton

      #32
      Re: R.i.p. S939

      Originally posted by Flanker

      Those people are f*cking retards and stupid fanboys. Up until now, I thought you to be as far away from idiots like those as possible. Please don't make this one of the very few times I'm wrong.

      Intel also has Reverse HyperThreading built into the Conroe processor you little prick. Its called Core Multiplexing. It also lets 2 cores act like one superpowered Core. There won't be any jumping bandwagons.

      Like I said, Intel has done everything to grind K8 into the ground. INCLUDING having AMD's rumoured SuperTechnology.

      Eh, I'm done with this thread. I thought you were above personal insults but I guess you're not.

      For the record I never said I was one way or the other. I would just like to see something other than production samples.

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      • Sir. MatDef
        Member
        • Sep 2005
        • 2899

        #33
        Re: R.i.p. S939

        Damn flanker, I've never seen you this angry (or passionate).

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        • Eddy01741

          #34
          Re: R.i.p. S939

          Originally posted by lil_jimmy_norton
          Eh, I'm done with this thread. I thought you were above personal insults but I guess you're not.

          For the record I never said I was one way or the other. I would just like to see something other than production samples.
          It's just FLanker's way of bashing people that are not very intelligent when they post.

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          • Flanker

            #35
            Re: R.i.p. S939

            Originally posted by Sir. MatDef
            Damn flanker, I've never seen you this angry (or passionate).
            Really? I came off as angry? When I typed that, I was on my way to taking a shower and I typed the whole thing while sitting on my knees. I wasn't really angry, just wanted to make my point. Yes, I am passionate about this though.

            But seriously, I thought very highly of Jimmy, lol. And I didn't really insult him directly. I insulted all those who, without any valid justification, would go for a more expensive and lower performing AM2 processor over a much more sensible Conroe. If he is one of those people, then it is a sad thought.

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            • Sir. MatDef
              Member
              • Sep 2005
              • 2899

              #36
              Re: R.i.p. S939

              Originally posted by Flanker
              But seriously, I thought very highly of Jimmy, lol. And I didn't really insult him directly. I insulted all those who, without any valid justification, would go for a more expensive and lower performing AM2 processor over a much more sensible Conroe. If he is one of those people, then it is a sad thought.
              Let me put it this way, the only way it would've come off as any angrier was if you had typed all caps. But I suggest you reread jimmy's latest post before you insult him.

              We're all friends here, remember?

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              • Flanker

                #37
                Re: R.i.p. S939

                Originally posted by Sir. MatDef
                Let me put it this way, the only way it would've come off as any angrier was if you had typed all caps.
                I see, lol. Well, I wasn't "angry." Maybe frustrated. And wanting to make a point, lol.

                Well, I don't think I made a personal insult to him. He denied that he was one of those people, so I suppose that none of what I said of those people applies to him, then.

                And I have already explained my views on "Engineering Samples."

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                • Talus
                  Member
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 6854

                  #38
                  Re: R.i.p. S939

                  This thread was supposed to be about S939s and how they will soon become cheap.

                  Keep the fanboy wars out of it.

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                  • Flanker

                    #39
                    Re: R.i.p. S939

                    Might I point out that its only this week? If you're not going to buy it this week, forget about it.

                    Sad that my processor is now less than half the price of when I bought it.

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                    • imported_Wreck

                      #40
                      Re: R.i.p. S939

                      Originally posted by Flanker
                      Sad that my processor is now less than half the price of when I bought it.
                      Mines still the same price.

                      By the way Flanker your linear calculations cannot be correct. For instance if you used your method on the 2.6GHz AMD to calculate how fast it would need to be to reach 103 FPS then you would clearly see that a theoretical 2.678Ghz would reach 103FPS which isn't the case. Also using your method then theoretically the 2.8Ghz AMD would have a FPS of 107.69. For someone who seems to know basic math I don't see how you missed this.

                      I'd shave a little off of that 131.25. Using a non linear real world AMD ratio then that 2.8GHz Conroe's FPS should be 128.75.

                      :smacks Flanker on the hand for using a Tom's Hardware comparison:

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                      • Eddy01741

                        #41
                        Re: R.i.p. S939

                        Originally posted by Flanker
                        Might I point out that its only this week? If you're not going to buy it this week, forget about it.

                        Sad that my processor is now less than half the price of when I bought it.
                        Same ( i got same CPu as you lmao). Anyways, if S939 CPUs aren't in stock at newegg in mid august when i'm upgrading, i might go with conroe if it's really that good.

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                        • imported_Wreck

                          #42
                          Re: R.i.p. S939

                          Originally posted by Eddy01741
                          Same ( i got same CPu as you lmao). Anyways, if S939 CPUs aren't in stock at newegg in mid august when i'm upgrading, i might go with conroe if it's really that good.
                          Conroe is a good choice. I'd wait for a little more availability and prices to stabilize before I buy anything. I think by August things well settle enough to start making those purchases.

                          If you don't want to upgrade an entire system then the prices for 939's should be great by then.

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                          • Flanker

                            #43
                            Re: R.i.p. S939

                            Originally posted by Wreck
                            Mines still the same price.

                            By the way Flanker your linear calculations cannot be correct. For instance if you used your method on the 2.6GHz AMD to calculate how fast it would need to be to reach 103 FPS then you would clearly see that a theoretical 2.678Ghz would reach 103FPS which isn't the case. Also using your method then theoretically the 2.8Ghz AMD would have a FPS of 107.69. For someone who seems to know basic math I don't see how you missed this.

                            I'd shave a little off of that 131.25. Using a non linear real world AMD ratio then that 2.8GHz Conroe's FPS should be 128.75.

                            :smacks Flanker on the hand for using a Tom's Hardware comparison:
                            Yes, I know that doens't always work. But I've double checked my results. For example, if there is a benchmark in which 2 Conroes are being compared to 2 Athlon 64s. I've seen such benchmarks, and when I scale the performance of the lower Conroe, to see how it would perform at a higher clockspeed (that of the second, faster Conroe) the performance matched with only a tiny variation (3FPS in a total of 190+).

                            Yes, I don't like THG either, but thats what the guy asked for, so thats what I gave him. Worked out anyways.

                            I'm not getting Conroe until Q1 2007, so a bit of evil luck there, heh.

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                            • Eddy01741

                              #44
                              Re: R.i.p. S939

                              Originally posted by Flanker
                              Yes, I know that doens't always work. But I've double checked my results. For example, if there is a benchmark in which 2 Conroes are being compared to 2 Athlon 64s. I've seen such benchmarks, and when I scale the performance of the lower Conroe, to see how it would perform at a higher clockspeed (that of the second, faster Conroe) the performance matched with only a tiny variation (3FPS in a total of 190+).

                              Yes, I don't like THG either, but thats what the guy asked for, so thats what I gave him. Worked out anyways.
                              Yea, THG used to be good, then supposedly (rumors), they were taken over by Intel+ATi fanboys.

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                              • Flanker

                                #45
                                Re: R.i.p. S939

                                I told you that dude. :) Way back when.

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