Dec 9th Weekly News - Beefed up Pistols for CSS

[Thortok2000]

*snort* You can do well against a target that isn't shooting back. That's why the guns are unbalanced.



Every gun can kill anyone at any distance, it's just a matter of how effective it is at it. Certain guns are so ineffective it's not worthwhile to buy them. The guns need balancing.

[Hutz]

I always found it funny that the FiveSeven was so accurate, yet so weak that it would even be crappy as a starting pistol. It's almost as bad as the Glock, which IS a crappy starting pistol.



I'm looking forward to the weapon balance change. Don't like it? Go back to 1.6 and enjoy your ads. HAH!

[DaRk-AnGeL]

magicalpoop wrote..

Because it takes some decent time to correctly balance all the weapons and projectile weighting/speeds/piercing physics/standard damage/effect on the entire game/ and CT/T default weapon balancing/ And considering they're working on a million other things located in a small office in seatle.

I think other people's worlds revolve around stuff other than just CS.

1. We are talking about three weapons that will be changed - The five seven, p228 and Duel Elites. 'All the weapons' is too broad a comment.



2. Speeds - This could be seen as 'beefing' up, but the rate of fire is fine on these pistols, and all things considered, they have a normal rate of fire when you look at the other three pistols. This is a valid point.



3. Projectile weighting - Should depend on the ammunition type used, not really a factor that should be considered. Valid point.



4. Standard damage - Like I said, that's just a few integers that need to be changed. Not a valid point.



5. Effect - What effect. On pistol rounds ? They won't have too much of an impact since people use whatever pistol feels best to them, if one pistol becomes the dominant factor, then it will be used over the other pistols. As for the entire game, well, past round 3 pistols aren't used unless on an eco, even then people use deagles or standard pistols on an eco, might we see a five seven eco ? Valid point.



6. CT/T default - a) These weapons are free of charge anyway b) In match situations both teams play both sides. c) Given that the terrorists have glocks, the duel elites should be given less recoil than the five seven. Still a very valid point however :)



Although I may have over exagerated, the fact of the matter is that this update shouldn't take more than 2 days to complete. Especially since all the groundwork is already in place.

[ALT+F4]

Hey, here's an idea: Upgrade the weapons properly and price them according to real world MSRP. DWP is yet another cruel joke in a game already loaded with them.



And while we're at it -- and as long as they're gonna force unwanted in-game ads on us -- why not use the weapons' real names and run in-game ads for their manufacturers? (It'll never happen. Can you say "hypocrisy?")

[kerosine99]

Some weapons will always be better than others. I don't want to see beefing up certain weapons to make them more useful (in effect making all weapons equal), what I instead want to see is a change in the prices to reflect a weapon's effectiveness.



What they need to do is just list the weapons (within each category) from best to worst and then price them accordingly. So... set a reasonable price for the Desert Eagle then work the prices down from there. Obviously, the dualies would then be much cheaper and some players might then choose to use it as a weapon that's worth its price, instead of just a novelty humiliation tool.



If Valve did this, the AK would be 2nd or 3rd on the list of rifles (After the AWP and Colt, or between the two depending on your view) in terms of cost, and perhaps if the Aug or Sig were significantly cheaper than the AK people would start to use those guns.



In terms of the AK, it seems silly that one of the best guns in the game is so cheap, and you can't say that it's good because it's cheap, because you know that even if they raised the price to 4,000 you'd still buy one when you could afford it.



Instead of changing the attributes of a gun, just change the price to reflect its usefulness.



Here's a general example of costs... nothing exact just to give you a feel for the price progressions ranked in order from deadliest weapons to ... crappiest.



Pistols:

Deagle: 700

USP: 600

Glock: 500

Dualies: 400

Sig: 300

57: 200



Shotguns:

Auto: 4000

M3: 3000



Subs:

MP5:1000

P90:800

Mac10/TMP:600

UMP:500



Rifles:

AWP: 6000

AK/M4: 5000

Auto Snipers: 4000

Sig/Aug: 3000

Galil/Famas: 2000



MG:

Para: 4000



Nades:

HE: 500

FB: 300

Smoke: 200



Oh and NV goggles would be 400 bucks, since they're almost useless.

[peagle]

ALT+F4 wrote..

And while we're at it -- and as long as they're gonna force unwanted in-game ads on us -- why not use the weapons' real names and run in-game ads for their manufacturers? (It'll never happen. Can you say "hypocrisy?")

I would like the guns real names in there, just because the fake ones, sound, well stupid. Clarion and Nighthawk? Clearly a gay superhero duo. I imagine purchasing the rights to all those official names wouldn't be cheap however.

[Bokuho]

They'll be upgrading the already superb P228 and FN FiveseveN just because scrubs don't use them as much as the over-rated Desert Eagle? Fine by me. Those two weapons have been owning it up as far as I'm concerned for years anyway.

[FLeK0]

it's out

Counter-Strike: Source:

- Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites damage by 25%

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[entRo]

Bokuho wrote..

They'll be upgrading the already superb P228 and FN FiveseveN just because scrubs don't use them as much as the over-rated Desert Eagle? Fine by me. Those two weapons have been owning it up as far as I'm concerned for years anyway.

Only in pubs where you're playing against horrible players. Take either of those guns into a competitive game and you'll just get laughed at, because they're terrible.

[Thortok2000]

kerosine99, that's what DWP does, dynamically.

[kerosine99]

I'm talking about a 1-shot price alteration.