Warcraft 3 XP Updated

[FLeK0]

nerf shamans kthx

[Pharlap]

id like to think wc3 mod is aimed at the more cerebral player :)

[Nathan D.]

Wow, I think I forgot how controversial this community is and how hostile everyone gets. State your opinion to create a nice two-sided discussion on what you like and don't like; some will agree, some will disagree. Relax people, it's just WC3. Don't get so touchy about everything.



Why can't we all get along

[Scanner]

Nathan D. wrote..

Relax people, it's just WC3. Don't get so touchy about everything.



Why can't we all get along

Now if you really want to polarize the community, start a thread discussing the merits of fy_*, aim_*, or surf_* maps. The flameboys will be crawling out of the woodwork for that one!



I have been accused of not backing up my points with arguments (which I disagree with), but the only substance I have heard from the WC3 camp in the way of supporting the mod is "I have fun playing it". That's fantastic, but can one of the WC3 advocates explain to me how the game is better in its current form than if its creators were to convert it into their own HL-engine-based mod with a fantasy setting, models, weapons, and objectives? I initially gave WC3 a chance, thinking it would actually be that way, but quickly found it nothing more than a passing novelty.



--Scanner (who doesn't need a thesaurus, thank you very much)

[Saint_K]

Who's talking our wc3 for cs being better then normal wc3??



We just say the wc3 plugin for cs is very cool to play, thats all.

[ukHazard]

Scanner wrote..

can one of the WC3 advocates explain to me how the game is better in its current form than if its creators were to convert it into their own HL-engine-based mod with a fantasy setting, models, weapons, and objectives?

Nope, it probably isn't, but then that's all we have. WC3 mods (and sub-mods such as UWC3) tend to have tiny development groups or be single people, so I don't expect it of them.



If someone did release a total conversion such as you suggest, I'm sure it would be fulfilling, but WC3 is a modification of the way AMXX interacts with the HL engine, and its possibilities, rather than of the HL engine itself.

[x7-Superman!]

KuRRupT wrote..

Good way of showing the public how insecure you are. Since you had nothing good to say, you had to just put your head in your ass and wigle your arms in hoping you'll hit something.



And yes, it's just you who thinks scanner has something good to back up. piss off please.

Exellent job in dancing around the issue by making stupid comments.

I think its clear that you really didn't have an argument to begin with so you just try to piss people off.



jackass.

[Agent 00Shoe]

KuRRupT wrote..

Also, what 7 year old can't go to thesaurus website and find some more than 3 syllables common words and post some bullshit up to back his ridiculous opinion out?

Why can't you type coherent sentences?

[KuRRupT]

You flaming tards, I don't want any part of this feeble-minded arguement only because people like you ruin them.



I have never said WC3 was better than CS nor made any claims close to them. I just said stop bashing on WC3 mod or me just because you are a very sad, lonely, and hated person in real life. Just because nobody likes you in outside life, does not give you privilege to flame people in this remote, internet "universe".



Please read all the posts before you press post comment button. Hell, it would be better if you would just ignore the fucking post comment button overall.

[kerosine99]

Scanner wrote..

That's fantastic, but can one of the WC3 advocates explain to me how the game is better in its current form than if its creators were to convert it into their own HL-engine-based mod with a fantasy setting, models, weapons, and objectives?

I think what makes WC3 enjoyable is the fact that you don't have to learn an entirely new game. You can take the skills you already have in CS and apply them to gain added talents / abilities which spice up gameplay. Furthermore the idea of experience points and leveling is something many people enjoy, and when you combine that with CS it means more fun for some people.



I think if people wanted to play a standalone fantasy game they'd go play the real Warcraft 3. But they want to play CS with leveling XP, and new talents and abilities. At the core its still CS, it just has some new features and variety.



Personally, I'd rather play vanilla CS, but I can see the appeal it holds. It's a change of pace... its variety.

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KuRRupT wrote..

You flaming tards, I don't want any part of this feeble-minded arguement only because people like you ruin them.



I have never said WC3 was better than CS nor made any claims close to them. I just said stop bashing on WC3 mod or me just because you are a very sad, lonely, and hated person in real life. Just because nobody likes you in outside life, does not give you privilege to flame people in this remote, internet "universe".



Please read all the posts before you press post comment button. Hell, it would be better if you would just ignore the fucking post comment button overall.

You contradict yourself and your position by relying on elaborate insults.



Scanner did a good job of explaining his opinion and his point of view, in a civil manner.



Any message or thought behind your posts have been mitigated by your pugnacity. Play nice and people will actually take the time to read over, consider, and respond to your ideas.

[KuRRupT]

Whatever. To me, Scanner posted half critisism and half insults.



If he would have explained his opinion the way you did, I'd just thank him for opening his opinions to the rest of CSN, but instead, he had to say "you're leeching off the popularity of someone else's cohesive mod, mixing your oranges in with their apples, and (judging from the comments thus far) pissing a fair number of people off.".



If scanner thinks the mod is unoriginal by bieng a "piggyback" on CS, I challenge him to help WC3 mod to be made onto a stand-alone mod. Untill he does so, I'd say its just a bunch of minor insults which could have been avoided and shut.



I did not see one tiny bit of encouragement in that post at all. It's not mod dev's fault that this was posted on this site, which evidently got flamed at just for doing something for community.

[-:Nighthawk:-]

I don't think even most of the fans of WC3 would deny that it intentionally leeches from CS's popularity to get playtime. There are lots of other creative, interesting, and novel concepts out there that have been made into their own mods. But you know what? With the exception of a small handful of semi-popular mods, only a very few people play these other games.



Mod CS, however, and you automatically have the largest existing online FPS community as potential players. Sure, a good majority of CS players hate WC3. But even getting a notable minority of CS players is a huge number of overall players.



So with that in mind, to deny that WC3 leeches off of Counter-Strike's popularity would be an absurd and quite frankly dishonest statement.



Now, on to the whole issue being discussed. I think Scanner did a decent job of voicing his opinion, but that said, he's ignored the obvious motivation for not making WC3 into an independent mod. On the flip side, you have KuRRupT who, despite having a perspective I don't totally disagree with, has managed to give as ugly a face to the pro-WC3 camp as the "wc3 is gay sex" people have given to the anti-WC3 camp.



To KuRRupT, it's pointless to ask others to not insult something when you in turn are insulting them. It's hypocritical, and the obvious discrepency leads to people believing your arguments are foolish and not worth paying attention to. I'd agree that many people could have been much kinder to WC3, but you really can't expect that in an environment like this. As such, there is absolutely no point in sinking to the same level as those using homosexuality as a trump card in their pointless anti-WC3 battle.



As for me personally, though, I hate the WC3 mod, but I respect its development and the right for others to play and enjoy it. That is, just so long as I can easily identify and avoid these particular servers. Up to this point, that has been a simple task, and in fact far less annoying than distinguishing between CS1.6 and CS:S servers in the server browser.



Sadly, there are always those who are going to debase themselves with childish insults and hypocricy... and nothing the intelligent among us can say will ever make that stop.

[KuRRupT]

Good point, I agree.

[tailes151]

I have been an avid fan of Counter-Strike for around 4 years now. For the first 2 years of having the game I played the original, unmodded counter-strike. After 2 years the game become dull, boring, repetitive, boring, repetitive..... The last 2 years I have devoted my online game time only to WC3 mod. It occurs to me that the people who are calling it "gay sex" and a waste of space or a piece of shit have probably never played the mod for more than 5 minutes. If you have and you still don't like it, fine. Im not going to abuse you for your oppinion. I have tried MANY cs mods. Superhero, tried for about 2 weeks before I realized it wasnt for me.



Another thing, to the people saying that it is taking away from the CS servers and that we should be playing CS instead -- I will NEVER play unmodded CS again. It bores me, its slow and dull. I can understand why you might want to continue with it but I never will. If I wanted to play CS, I wouldnt mod it in the first place.



To the coders -- You guys are amazing. Don't listen to any of the negative remarks being thrown at you. Chances are the people saying them have no idea how to code a mod, much less one that keeps people addicted 2 years down the road. You guys work extremely hard, fix bugs and glitches almost as soon as they are reported. Without you, the mod communities would be nowhere.



I want to make it clear I am not telling anyone to play WC3, in fact, if the idea bores you stay away from it. But you in no way have any rights to attack the mod's creators and its users.



Good day.

[iJ.Slash]

Our Warcraft 3 community has been going strong for many years, and draws many players that want to try something different from the plain life regular CS. I mean, yeah, regular CS is fun, but it gets kind of boring.



Without different mods like the Warcraft 3 mod, I'm not so sure that a lot of people would still have that love for CS. When regular CS got boring for me, I needed to find a server that would fit my needs. The modding community certainly helped me in that respect. Once I found Warcraft 3, it seemed very fun. Sure it's hard leveling at first going against these other players that had their level 10s, but it was something that I personally could achieve myself.



Warcraft 3 brings in a new factor for Counter-Strike players, which is why there is still popularity among these servers, and the new factors are also the reason why I have stayed on CS too long. I don't represent everyone, but I just thought CS was getting boring. I'm not that great at CS, never had any type of CAL or OGL experience, so I am always looking at CS just to have fun. I don't really care whether it would go to standalone mod or not. Whatever works, you know? It's a game that is really geared towards the CS fans. If they wanted to make a standalone mod, I'm sure they would, but I believe that they wanted to make it part of the Counter-Strike game.



Some of you guys really should re-evaluate your comments about the mod, because I doubt that many of you guys that show negativity even gave the mod a try. And for those of you that don't even give respect to the modders but bash them, well, you guys need to grow up. You don't like it? Fine. Just remember that you don't speak for everyone. Besides, if you are capable of reading, I'm sure that most servers will plaster if they have WC3 or any other mod in their title.