Steam's Downtime

[Bokuho]

Zips wrote..

and there should be no reason for your slowness unless you're all on dialup.

About 85% of the UK's internet is dial-up. Very few areas in the UK have access to broadband or other fast internet connections, and the few areas that do have it, not everybody can afford £30 a month for it.



And even with broadband, the UK is by and large, a slow connection zone. We're pretty far away from the major ADSL hubs, so even if we pay out for the absolute fastest connection, it'll still be slightly slower then it 'should be'. They say broadband is up to 10x faster then dial-up - in reality for the UK it's rarely more then 8x faster. Still fast, but you get the idea.

[2|F.u.g.]

Do you have any statistics to back that up Bokuho? It just seems pretty unlikely to me. Broadband's been spreading, albeit not as rapidly as originally hoped, but BT are converting the exchanges slowly but surely. I find it very hard to believe that 85% of the UK's internet is dial-up. For instance, pretty much all the major cities are broadband-enabled, and that's more than 15% of the population.



Even if you are correct for the average internet user in the UK, I'm sure for gamers, i.e. the people who will be affected by each steam update, the ratio of broadband users to narrow band users will be a lot more than 3:17.



Anyway. Steam's far from perfect: we still get those invalid user ID errors periodically; the system appears more susceptible to DDoS attacks than the old WON system; inadequate testing seems to go into some of the updates; etc. etc. But it's all there is, so the only choices are to suck it up and live with it, or stop playing CS.

[Smurfzilla]

2|F.u.g. wrote..

Do you have any statistics to back that up Bokuho? It just seems pretty unlikely to me. Broadband's been spreading, albeit not as rapidly as originally hoped, but BT are converting the exchanges slowly but surely. I find it very hard to believe that 85% of the UK's internet is dial-up. For instance, pretty much all the major cities are broadband-enabled, and that's more than 15% of the population.



Even if you are correct for the average internet user in the UK, I'm sure for gamers, i.e. the people who will be affected by each steam update, the ratio of broadband users to narrow band users will be a lot more than 3:17.



Anyway. Steam's far from perfect: we still get those invalid user ID errors periodically; the system appears more susceptible to DDoS attacks than the old WON system; inadequate testing seems to go into some of the updates; etc. etc. But it's all there is, so the only choices are to suck it up and live with it, or stop playing CS.

I did those last 3 words :o

[/2etribution]

[PKM]GenocideS1 wrote..

AND YOU STEAM PLAYERS ARE THE MINORITY

Not everyone has a PIV 2ghz with a ATI 9800.



49,000 players a day(STEAM) oh no we have so many players yeah right Beta 5.2 cs had 240,000 players a day

49,000 a day? What about the regular 110,000-plus peaks that occur nearly every day? Not to mention the 6 million and counting users a month.



Oh, and I have a 555mhz PIII box with onboard graphics that has been running Steam without fail since January 03.

[Linux]

ukHazard wrote..

Hang on though. If it was as simple as this, VALVe would have taken an even simpler option: applying access lists to their routers or getting the ISP to do the same.



So it can't be as simple as that.

I work with my friend when it comes to my server work. I know its not that easy, so lets just lay off me and quoting me, you think???? I have a friend that since his grampa, which is like since the beginning of the World Wide Web has owned this datacenter, and the government has funded it, thats how I get protection on my Linux box, and also just knowledge nad screwing around with things. But yeah I think ISP show try and think of a way that might be able to be more effective in stopping DDoS or DoS, but the world can never become sane, because someone will break it and once again it becomes insane. But bummer for Valve, I think they can only take meassures to stop this from happening again by learning from their mistakes, like people say failure is the greatest accomplishment, you learn what not to next time. So good luck to you Valve :)

[Spookie4551]

Bokuho wrote..

About 85% of the UK's internet is dial-up. Very few areas in the UK have access to broadband or other fast internet connections, and the few areas that do have it, not everybody can afford £30 a month for it.



And even with broadband, the UK is by and large, a slow connection zone. We're pretty far away from the major ADSL hubs, so even if we pay out for the absolute fastest connection, it'll still be slightly slower then it 'should be'. They say broadband is up to 10x faster then dial-up - in reality for the UK it's rarely more then 8x faster. Still fast, but you get the idea.

To quote the register: The number of broadband subscribers in the UK is set to overtake narrowband punters during 2005 as more and more people hook up to high-speed Net services. (posted in june 04).



Not to mention the costs of BB in the UK has dropped, I pay £24 for my Monthly 512k connection. Prices are £15 for 150k or 512k with a monthly limit.



Might want to check those facts first

[CheesyPeteza]

90% of the UK is broadband enabled.



I'm pretty sure Genocide is a cheater from planet mayhem and is probably just annoyed with Steam because he can't change his CD Key to avoid VAC now.

[peagle]

Linux wrote..

But bummer for Valve, I think they can only take meassures to stop this from happening again by learning from their mistakes

I'm not sure what they can learn, other than a portion of their user base will always be immature, arrogant and ill-educated ass masters.



Dos attacks are merely a result of Valves massive sucess, and should be worn like medals if they didn't stink like poopie.

[bullet_head]

Kinda to throw the figure out there, currently there are 105,027 players on steam. I'd like to see some comparitive facts with WON.

[HazieDayz]

oobles

[jo0ni3]

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Bokuho wrote..

Ahh, a homophobe... I should have known... let me see.. my psychic powers decude that... you're 14 years old... your favourite bands are Linkin Park and Tool... you hate your parents... even though they pay out for everything for you... and you call everyone who kills you in CS a 'fucking n00b whore bitch fag'. Am I right?

just because their songs (Linkin Park) were quite over played on the radio and some of them could have used some more originality... doesn't mean they're bad.. I quite enjoy their music as well as many other rock bands out there... I think you shouldn't judge people by what they like.

Oh and other points you've made I agree

[HazieDayz]

battlefield vietnam > cs

[jo0ni3]

HazieDayz wrote..

battlefield vietnam > cs

now that's a fun game... I've enjoyed it for awhile.

but I don't know why I always come back to CS...

[HazieDayz]

ya! i like drivin around the vietnamese scooter... scooter > any cs car by the way.. do u recall the maximum amount of players supported on a server? isnt it like 100-200?

[myname321]

The player cap in the battlefield games is 64 players i believe.