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[Supersonic^]

absent, you should die, thanks. You lose at life.



Where's the competitiveness of dildoing yourself? Gaming is competitive, and it can be classed as a sport. It's not the same kind of sport as say Football, or Rugby, but a lot of sports aren't like football or rugby.



Take Snooker for example (that's Billiards to you yanks). It's widely considered a sport, and it requires about as much physical exertion, skill, hand-eye coordination etc.



Also, absent, how can you call us all nerds, when you're here posting about a video game on an internet forum? Surely, if we're all nerds, then you must be too.

[absent]

I'm not a nerd, but I'd like to correct you on the part where you called this comment section an "internet forum".



Now you asked, "Where's the competitiveness of dildoing yourself?" I'll turn the question around; where's the competitiviness of playing a VIDEO GAME? Now you compared playing COUNTER-STRIKE to Football, the king of all sports. Then you question the very term of "SPORT" itself. Let us ask ourself this following question; what do all REAL sports (and no, snooker is not a real sport) have in common? Ask yourselves this. I will not answer it for you.

[Deletable_Man]

When money is involved, it becomes more than a game. Ended.

[n8bowa]

They have some sort of physical activity, have rules, have competition, have various skills differentials, have spectators, have sponsorships, have many fans, have commentators, have leagues, have great sums of money involved (like the guy above said)... the similarities go on and on.

[absent]

Except that any video game players do not extert themselves physically. Perioid. They may start sweating and shaking uncontrollably, but that's just because they are lifeless nerds who have taken a past-time way too far. The rest of the stuff has been formed around this phenomenon by other nerds who have nothing better to do than to X (be that x spectating, commentating, being a fan) and poor companies being scammed much like a Nigeria-letter by the nerds.

[FEK OFF- NOW m8]

PLZ Can u tell em how i change ym username / Nickname

[absent]

format c:

[Ravenium]

Ahh, the fun of it all...



bowa: doh, I didn't mean to come out swinging at you, I just took the "like it or not" to mean I had to agree :)



entro: alas, since you had nothing to attack me with, you chose to decry the use of a sig. If we went by your asshat logic, nobody would ever put anything in a sig. Granted this is not a forum, but it's a form of statement, thus allowing for a name to be appended, perhaps a familiar one such as "-Rav". Either way, attacking someone for how they decide to wrap their words is highly ignorant.



And yes, this is a VERY subjective topic, whether YOU like it or not. It has been established how the word "sport" is inconclusive when applied to many things, such as chess, checkers, bridge, euchre, and video games. Many feel that it has physical exertion, many feel it does not. absent has shown that given many peoples' definition of sports, punching the clown, ramming the rod, etc, and pretty much anything else can be determined sports if one reduces them to "anything done competitively for money". Is Fear Factor a sport, since it's a competition for money? (I'm not even sure if it should be a television show sometimes...) See? There is not a clear established definition.



What does that leave us with? That leaves your statement as "I believe playing video games is on the same par level with football, and those who play it at the top level should be accorded such benefits and respect". That is your OPINION. Unlike a painting, in which the artist has a concept, there is no "author" behind video gaming. It is a conceptual idea, and thus open to everyone's equal interpretation. You think competitive gamers are special gods, I think they're generally disillusioned kiddies :)

[FiDo.]

god dam what happened to the 2 sentence post's

[Ravenium]

They died with the advent of parallel topics. I like cookies.

[Ryda]

Ravenium wrote..

(replying to n8bowa) No, it's not, at least unless you use the mysterious "third definition" that Ryda put in there.

Keep in mind, those were the definitions from dictionary.com

[entRo]

Ravenium wrote..

entro: alas, since you had nothing to attack me with, you chose to decry the use of a sig. If we went by your asshat logic, nobody would ever put anything in a sig. Granted this is not a forum, but it's a form of statement, thus allowing for a name to be appended, perhaps a familiar one such as "-Rav". Either way, attacking someone for how they decide to wrap their words is highly ignorant.



And yes, this is a VERY subjective topic, whether YOU like it or not. It has been established how the word "sport" is inconclusive when applied to many things, such as chess, checkers, bridge, euchre, and video games. Many feel that it has physical exertion, many feel it does not. absent has shown that given many peoples' definition of sports, punching the clown, ramming the rod, etc, and pretty much anything else can be determined sports if one reduces them to "anything done competitively for money". Is Fear Factor a sport, since it's a competition for money? (I'm not even sure if it should be a television show sometimes...) See? There is not a clear established definition.



What does that leave us with? That leaves your statement as "I believe playing video games is on the same par level with football, and those who play it at the top level should be accorded such benefits and respect". That is your OPINION. Unlike a painting, in which the artist has a concept, there is no "author" behind video gaming. It is a conceptual idea, and thus open to everyone's equal interpretation. You think competitive gamers are special gods, I think they're generally disillusioned kiddies :)

Nothing to attack you with? I'm not going to attack you just because our views on something differ, I was just saying that signing your name at the bottom of your post, is really useless, because we already know who you are by your username which is posted next to your message. If the site didn't have that feature, and everyone was anonymous except for if they posted a sig, then yea, it'd make sense for you to do that.



I don't see how you can not see chess, checkers, or CS as physical. The definition of "sport" doesn't say "physically strenuous", it just says "physical". You seem to want to choose what "physical" means, too.



By my logic, Fear Factor would be a sport? No. Most of Fear Factor deals with.. fear, (or atleast is supposed to) which is MENTAL and not PHYSICAL. There are physical things that must be done, but the show never comes down to who can do something better than someone else, it comes down to who can withstand something better than someone else.



I'm not saying "HeatoN is equal to Micheal Jordan", but you could say "HeatoN is the Micheal Jordan of CS". Either way, I don't hold professional athletes as highly as others may, I don't think less of them for being pro's, but I don't look up to them because they're good at a game.



To continue discussing anything with you, we need to agree whether we will use the definition of things, or interpretive meaning.

[Ravenium]

Eh, either way, this is the wrong forum for doing so, since this topic is due to become outdated fast and move down the news list :)