It would be nice to fix these guns and all the other useless ones, like the ump but it will get to the point where it's too easy to kill someone. After all these guns are better, well need to give players like 150 life to balance it.
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I vote no. For one thing all games need some bad guns. Who enjoys just messing around and buying he gay TMP and MAC10? Everyone. What are the funniest moments in CS? When a player makes a HS with a queer gun on another player. Personally I don't think that they should be improved.Comment
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it would be cool if the terrorists had an m60 machinegun, and the para was made ct only (or the cts got a para and the ts got a full size minimi)Comment
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My thoughts on what to do for mac10/tmp changes?
Mac10: Faster reload. Not like "tmp" and "glock" speed reload, but just make it a bit quicker. Other than that, the gun is very good for close combat.
Tmp: Just a reduced recoil. Keep the damage the same.Comment
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the mac10 fires the same shell as the usp- should have same damage and jump as usp.
the tmp fires a suppressed 9mm round like the glock- should do just a touch less than glock with a lot less recoil due to suppressor...but it should still make a muted pop with every shell...it still fires supersonic ammo and no 4 inch suppressor is gonna cover the soundComment
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if it fire supersonic ammo than shouldnt it do more damage than the glock?Comment
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Edited by [user="26841"] @ [time="1081152657"]
A normal Glock 18 can fire standard supersonic 9mm rounds. Of course, a normal Glock 18 also can fire in full-auto mode, so let's not take things too far. As far as recoil, Glock 18's can easily be fired reasonably accurately at mid-range in full auto mode, and even more so if you're using a Glock 18c. I really don't know what the real-world comparison to a TMP is, though.
Secondly, you can't really say what the TMP is firing in-game. You can get subsonic 9mm rounds easily, which would reduce the TMP firing sound dramatically (though you should still hear the metal in the action clapping rather loudly), and also make its damage lower per-shot than the standard 9mm bullets fired by the Glock by a considerably amount. Either way, the silencer robs a bit of power from it, realistically.
You just really have to be careful, because the MP5 is also firing 9mm rounds, and well, a TMP with a silencer just shouldn't be quite as powerful or as accurate.Comment
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You ever fire a MAC-10 on full auto? The recoil, especially with the .45 caliber version is outrageous. (Is the one in-game a 9mm or .45?) What it needs is Secondary fire to extend the shoulder stock -- which DOES improve accuracy and helps tame recoil -- and/or add a sound suppressor. The frickin' thing was DESIGNED with a threaded barrel for one -- that it isn't used is . . . dare I say it . . . gay. Reload time on a weapon that fires from an open bolt is negligible.Comment
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a truly silent gun would be good like the mp5 with the inbuilt silencer. With absoloutly no fire sound and only the bolt click that can only be heared from about 2 foot. I really dont want an mg60 in the game have you EVER seen a terrorist/ counter terrorist with a HUGE machine gun no! if you add an mg60 you may as well add a rail gun, rocket launcher and flame thrower.Comment
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the TMP needs to have a detachable silencer. I don't get how the USP and the M4A1 can have removable silencers but the TMP can't. in fact, I've never seen a gun with a built-in non-removable silencer in Real Life.Comment
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Edited by [user="3670"] @ [time="1081187288"]TonicBH wrote..
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the TMP needs to have a detachable silencer. I don't get how the USP and the M4A1 can have removable silencers but the TMP can't. in fact, I've never seen a gun with a built-in non-removable silencer in Real Life.
..which would be great replacement for the TMP
currently a USP is superior to a MAC10 in most situations and costs much less. making the MAC10 act like the USP when you fire it as fast as you can push the button would be a big improvment and make sense. the MAC has a longer barrel and a foregrip but is really a large auto-pistol.
The TMP is worse than a glock except at very close range. again just changing the recoil pattern to make it more "pistol" like makes sense. an alternate suggestion is to make the TMP act like a MP5 with the Colt's silencer stuck on it. if the cheap sub-machine guns were actually a step up from a USP or Deagle someone might buy them.Comment
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how about instead of fixing the guns they work on cs 2 if there is one or half life 2 or something like that come out with something new instead of trying to make the old better.Comment
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What makes you think they aren't working on CS 2? I mainly use these:
USP
Glock
P228
Five-seveN
M3
MAC-10
TMP
UMP
P90
Scout
M249
Let's keep in mind that most of these are the weapons most people do not use. I think they should work on the P90 so that way it's worth that price tag it has, or either reduce it to $1800.Comment
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personally, i've owned more than my share of rounds in Ice world with the TMP. i remember one server where it was all mac 10's and TMP's...that was fun beyond all belief. but here goes:
TMP: more firepower, less recoil, BIGGER CLIP... when the pantented spray'n pray is used in close quarters....the clip just isn't big enough for its strength. also, removeable silencer.
MAC10: shorter reload time, sholder stock (secondary function) and maby cange the bullets to fire .45 cal (if that is done, ALOT of recoil, but first shot is highly accurate)
P90: slightly less spray when full auto maby up the bullet cal, and (if bullet cal is upped) make the clip sit at35-40 rounds.
My favorite guns in the game are the P90, and the Five-sevenComment
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I say replace BOTH weapons with a Glock 18 SF, semi- and full auto capable, with a high-cap 31/33-round Glock magazine.
Then just replace the T starting pistol to, say, a 10mm Glock 20, or maybe something like a .45 Glock 21.Comment
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