CS Changes Near

[QuickDraw]

Wicked Rage wrote..

Hey quick draw, why are you making fun of our statements when you can't seem to spell either. complaining about steam updates won't get you anywhere, your just wasting your time.

and the 10 ppl trying to flame me arent

everyone is right, i dont know wtf im talking about.

what was i thinking...

auto-snipers are l33t

shields are awesome

the auto-shotgun is the best gun out there

and the para is gonna be great.

so fyi: everyone that was saying im stupid and that im wrong, the above statement is basically what you're saying.

[Tenreh]

Edited by [user="38972"] @ [time="1075421156"]

I don't know what's this community's problem is, but Quickdraw is one of the few making sense. Counter-strike was released as a FINAL GAME in version 1.0.. it is now /1.6/ All these tweaks and changes are just pointless, superficial attempts to save a game that's not yet dying. Counter-strike is fine as it is. I haven't played since 1.6 came out because, out of the 4 valid cd keys I posses (2 copies of half-life, 1 opposing force, 1 blueshift) steam acccepts... none of them. So yeah, I quit counter-strike. But as a player of cs every single day from its conception the release of 1.6, I can tell you the para does not need to be more powerful, I bet $5 I can still go into any server and systematically remove the heads of an 8 player opposing team with 3 shot para bursts. If anything they should just make it cost more.. Stupid uproar of unskilled newbs begging to ruin the game so much of us loved.. Maybe in the next version, (in the name of realism of course) We'll have tactical nuclear hand grenades that cost $400 and kill everything on the map without leaving the CT spawn..



It seems this community is divided into 2 factions.. The die hards, who like their guns with a little recoil and dont mind if the first shot doesnt gib the target. And then the idiots.. whom valve seems to cater to. Some guns need to suck. What is more satisfying then being calling a 'crying newb' by some guy with an awp who's been playing cs for a total of 2 months, then respawning and unloading a 5-7 in the back of his head? Counter-strike is about the nuance of the kill, not just the kill. There's a lot to be said for subtlety.. If you know how to use the para it can easily be the best gun in the game. Personalluy, I've devoted so many hours of my life to this game that I can excel with any weapon, except the autoshotty, I've always avoided it by some sort of Gamer's Code of Honour. Everybody knows the autoshotty is for newbs.. Getting back to the point though, the para owns. OWNS. Just because a large percentage of the community is.. how shall we say.. fucktards.. lacking skill and grace, they're going to deprive real skilled players of the advantage of their skill. It seems every time an update comes out it focuses less on the individual players and their skill, and more on how many people you can get to rush the way you're going. Granted counter-strike has always been intended to be a rich multiplayer experience, but you cant just take glory out of the game like that. Glory MADE COUNTER-STRIKE. Nothing is the same as going on a 30/0 kill streak and living to talk about it, with your ashamed opponents. I fear the next time I go on a cs server I'll see 14 guys running around with paras and 2 with autosnipers.. All I know, if they take the glory out of the pistols, cs is dead. Once all the glory is gone.. its mine sweeper. Or better yet, you can put a screenshot of de_dust as your desktop and make all your icons little CTs, then everytime you open My Computer.. You win! Yay..

Jack offs.

[i||ega|-op]

PimPiNpOtAtOeS wrote..

so why do noobs have to spend monthes and even a year to get good at the game? they want the community to grow, cause when we out grow the fucking game they won't have any1 to play if every1 is discouraged by fucking wasting monthes to get good.

and it makes it better. if u don't like then play 1.5 or another game

If you have to spend a year at CS to get good at it then you need to quit gaming all together and try basket weaving. Oh wait, you said "monthes" .. lol.. You are probably one of those people who still don't know what the numbers mean on Minesweeper.



What is the point of a game that is easy right out of the box. I don't know any game thats worth playing that you can master it the first hour. If a game is not fun and challenging then no one will play. Just how stupid are you not to understand that simple fact? Its what all marketing departments base all their products off of.



The CS community has already grown, Valve needs to start worrying about keeping it. All the botched Steam updates and downtime has driven a lot of CS players and hosting companies away from CS.

[PimPiNpOtAtOeS]

Edited by [user="212997"] @ [time="1075432623"]

it doesn't have to take 4ever to learn though

[piece_a_cake]

I think the Dual Elites and the Para should be removed from the game, because they're almost never used by any player, that includes me.Use the Duals only if you think you're in a John Woo movie.Use the Para only if you want to be like Rambo!



See ya!

[Pharlap]

Tenreh wrote..

Counter-strike was released as a FINAL GAME in version 1.0.. it is now /1.6/ All these tweaks and changes are just pointless, superficial attempts to save a game that's not yet dying. Counter-strike is fine as it is.

if cs never changed, it would become stale and stagnant. and thats not a good thing. change keeps the game fresh, and personally i like it when the game changes, makes it more of a challenge to learn new tricks or adapt to changes.

[Thortok2000]

Again, the changes aren't 'in the name of realism', they're in the name of balance. Things like famas and galil and shield are in the name of new gameplay. Things like radar and sig/aug crosshairs are in the name of fixes.



As far as QuickDraw goes, I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you disrespect and ignore the rules of grammar, those who follow them will disrespect and ignore you. It's the way of the 'net. If you want to intelligently present your arguement, and actually have a chance of persuading someone of an opposing opinion to think your way, you do it intelligently and calmly.



If you just bicker, type illegibly, and make random insults, then people aren't going to want to listen to you much, much less agree with you. If you're going to waste time trying to say something, at least waste time trying to be heard as well. Type correctly or as best as you are able, stop insulting random people and saying 'newbie' or 'retard' every other sentence, and present your arguements logically and with evidence to back it up, if you can.



As far as your arguements, they aren't sound anyway. The shield needs addressing, simply because the Terrorists don't have anything like it, or an option to counter it that the CT's don't also have. But it isn't a 'stupid idea'. Auto snipers may need a slight nerfing, but they don't need to go all the way back to where they were before.



And have you looked at the para? It's accurate in 2-3 bullet bursts, actually, even at long distances, if you 'know the gun'. But when used as what it's supposed to be (suppressing fire), the accuracy and damage is so pathetic that you can pretty much run out and blast his head off with an AK anyway. Partly because the AK is overpowered, partly because the para's underpowered. So a tweak is a good idea. Just increasing the rate of fire so that you can stand toe-to-toe with an AK and kill him before he kills you might help. But I'm sure they have their own tweak in mind.



The idea is that a good para user will still die to an equally good m4 user. If you played against yourself, using different guns, the m4/ak will almost always win. So what's the point of having a para? This is what they're attempting to balance. Make the gun worth buying, so that people will actually buy it. But the idea isn't to make the gun the /best/, so that people /only/ buy it. I don't see what you don't get about this.



Perhaps because people are spamming the autosnipers now? It's just because they're fairly good, easy to use, and new, so people are still learning how to counter them. Awps are still better if you're good with them, and elite scouters can still cap the newbie autos. There's always the knife in the back as well, since they're in scoped vision.



However, I do agree that your counter-sniper options are fairly limited. Flashbangs are hard to accurately throw, and a good sniper can duck behind cover to keep his sight. Flanking may be out of the question, especially if the entire team is sniping. Moving in a group isn't an option a lot of the time, as in pubs, your group is too chicken to work together. Which is why the shield is such a good addition, for anti-sniping. Except this leaves the Terrorists in the dirt.



It still needs addressing, things need tweaking or fixing, and progress is good. If you're going to make an arguement, make it logical and sound and easy to read, or people who /do/ make that effort won't bother to read anything you type.

[Tenreh]

Pharlap wrote..

if cs never changed, it would become stale and stagnant. and thats not a good thing. change keeps the game fresh, and personally i like it when the game changes, makes it more of a challenge to learn new tricks or adapt to changes.

Hey.. I've got an idea.. instead of breaking the great gun system and jumping system and aim system they have in the name of 'change' why dont they make a new freaking map? Oooooohh... No way! That's bad change man! We just need our glocks to do 750+ damage when we shoot someone in the ankle. That'll keep it fresh.

[peagle]

<3 all you guys, you are all, definately, right.

[Pharlap]

i||ega|-op wrote..

The CS community has already grown, Valve needs to start worrying about keeping it. All the botched Steam updates and downtime has driven a lot of CS players and hosting companies away from CS.

on the contrary. the cs community is growing. and valve are trying hard to keep the game interesting to play for current players as well as not making it too hard for newcomers.

[Tenreh]

Edited by [user="38972"] @ [time="1075422508"]

peagle wrote..

<3 all you guys, you are all, definately, right.

Wow, it sure is easy to talk smack when you're not making any arguments or points.. here, let me take a moment to formulate a reply you may actually comprehend, since you obviously missed the point of my other post entirely.



lol u focker!!!!111

i wuz jUsT th1nk that may-b u shud CONSIDER my point b4 makin ur inane comments in attempt to gain rizzah-like fame through insulting your superiors with your extremely dull wit.



Sorry about the end of that statement, I cant communicate with mind-numbing fucks like you for too long... 'inane' means like.. stupid and boring. dictionary.com can help you with the rest.



PS. I like how you edited your post to not disrespect me. You punkass.

[Pharlap]

Tenreh wrote..

Hey.. I've got an idea.. instead of breaking the great gun system and jumping system and aim system they have in the name of 'change' why dont they make a new freaking map? Oooooohh... No way! That's bad change man! We just need our glocks to do 750+ damage when we shoot someone in the ankle. That'll keep it fresh.

maps added were de_chateux and cs_havana.

glock was upgraded because compared with the USP, it was near useless. now it can even be considered a better option than the USP.

[Tenreh]

Edited by [user="38972"] @ [time="1075422933"]

Pharlap.. Cheateux and Havana came out at least 2 years ago. Dont you think MORE new maps would be a suitable alternative to breaking the guns so newbs can kill you more easily?



But I agree about the glock, it was too weak. But CS has always had a weak glock, thats why when you kill someone with it the whole LAN erupts in laughter and cheers (or muttered dissapointment if they were on the recieving end. Again man.. its about the glory.



Also, both maps mentioned had severe balance issues (im sure I'm not the only one who feels this way) and Havana was just plain ugly.

[peagle]

Tenreh wrote..

PS. I like how you edited your post to not disrespect me. You punkass.

ROFL. My post was up for about 1/10th of a second, what are you just sitting there hitting refresh? LOL. I actually like the argument I made in my post, but then decided it needlessly took advantage of your various ridiculous statments so I deleted it. Good for you to take time to chastise me for *NOT* posting something.

[Tenreh]

Edited by [user="38972"] @ [time="1075423700"]

I said "I like how..." again, I refer you to dictionary.com, for your incorrect use of the word chastise. Secondly, I liked your argument too, put it back up. You might actually trick some morons into believing you're saying something rather than arranging random words in the hope of appearing intelligent if you use the built in spell checker.. I'm not sure if it can help your punctuation though. Thirdly, I haven't been sitting here clicking refresh, I was actually doing the dishes and I saw your post when I returned, I wont bother making a case for this though, its hard to explain things to a chimpanzee. If you weren't 13 I bet you would vote for Bush.



Heh. Also, -1000 points for 'ROFL'

Newb.