CS Changes Near

[Saint_K]

Cant you people do anything els than just bitching on eachother the whole god damn day? Cant u discus something without swearing on eachother the whole freakin time ?

[shurcool]

Can you not ask rhetorical questions?



I, for one, am for the changes. Radar fix is obviously great, but it's also good they're trying to fix the weapons that are underused, and give them some sort of a purpose. You know a game called Quake 1? If you've ever played it, you'd know there's at least like 5 weapons equally good, and they very well complement each other. It's nice to have a rocket launcher to spash damage some people, and then finish them off with that lightning gun. CS would be really much more teamplay-friendly if not everyone had the same 'good-for-all-purposes' gun. It's already like that with the AK/M4-AWP combination, but it's going to be really nice if you throw in even more weapons in there. And I mean the kind of of gun balancing that'll change the way CAL matches are played. If done right, everyone will love it. Those of you disagreeing have no faith and are scared of changes that'll mess everything up. I am too, but it might be worth the risk.

[stooopid]

QuickDraw wrote..

the para simply needs to have a faster rate of fire, or less recoil.

uhoh! This newb wants changes...

What a hypocrite.

[|azure|]

I can't believe you guys are for this para change. As if there aren't enough spray kills now? Man this game is getting so that if you go out in the open at all, your head gets torn off by some dweeb firing at a different guy a hundred yards away. Now we are gonna have a bunch of people with hundred round clips running around spraying everything in sight.



The pubs are getting more campified all the time because of the rate of headshots and random BS frags as it is. Bleh, I hate the idea of doing anything to the para.



I do like the crosshair and radar changes. Leave the guns alone.

[Milpool]

All I picture when I read QuickDraw's posts, is the entire community walking away from him, and he's just standing there shouting "newb" at everyone...



You said that to improve the game, it should be more fast paced, and have 'better graphics'. Better graphics... why didn't anyone else think of that?! Stop the fucking presses, and rush that straight over to cliffe. It's too bad CS is a modification for a game which is built off of a 5 1/2 year-old engine.



And if you are complaining about waiting around when you die, maybe YOU should go play a different game, like UT2003 for example. It's got better graphics and is more fast paced, and it sure as hell isn't realistic. That seems to meet your description of a perfect game pretty well to me.



And I know you've got another grade 6 level essay up your sleeve, so bring it on, because I really don't care. By the way, it's grammAr.

[stooopid]

Pharlap wrote..

right now the AWM does a lot more suppression than the para. and that needs to be addressed.

Well said.



Look, QuickDraw. Its not that I disagree with you. There were previous versions of CS that were great -- personally I prefer them to this spray/pray crap. If you want to call the changes newb-ass, thats fine.



Adding a small historical note, the spray effect from the ak and many other guns was originally added in part to combat aimbot like cheats. At the time Valve thought that this would make it impossible to aim bot effectively. They were right in some sense, but they failed -- Cheats were more powerful than just controlling your gun; they made so much more information available to the cheater in any given situation that you didn't need an aimbot to be effective with them. This is also around the time they eliminated continuous jumping -- to stop bunnyhoppers. The concommitance of these changes was not coincidental.



Ultimately the spray changes remained because they thought it was more "realistic" (which may be true) but ruins the game. To be realistic, when you have 2x10^9 player minutes per month, there is going to be pressure on CS decision makers to make changes to mundane things. This is inevitable. Its best to roll with the changes and when you get sick of it, move on to a new game. Such is the way of things.



-stooop

[QuickDraw]

Milpool wrote..

... By the way, it's grammAr.

lol, what a fucking moron, no shit sherlock, i did it so that a fucking shithead WOULD correct it. i didnt ACTUALLy think someone would bother to correct me.



now to respond to some knowledgeable people.

in terms of improvement, i am all for it: i am pro-change, as long as the change is for the better.

For example...

the new radar, money system, re-buy/auto-buy purchase, galil and famas addition, duelies upgrade, and glock upgrade, are all things that i seriously approve of. why? because they fix problems the problems and makes the game better. its retarded things -like the auto snipers, 5-foot shield, and the new 'tweaked' para- that really piss me off. these things are ridiculous and that was what i was trying to say. apparently by doing so i've offended a lot of newbs, which therefore in has generated a lot of idiotic responses filled with so many grammEr and spelling errors that it is hard to comprehend. Let me put it this way, I have nothing against newbs , but it just so happens that often the "newbs" are not really "beginners" but are rather just plain stupid people, who really are just undeniably mundane. so you guys are correct, i have no right to dis beginners, since we all started out with no experience some time down the road. i was incorrect with my word usage so to speak. what i really hate are the retarded people of the cs community who only act like newbs but they really just have no skill whatsoever after playing it since the betas and relay on the cheap-ass weapons such as the shield and the auto snipers to get a frag. then when they get bashed for relying on those weapons (keyword relying, not liking: for those of you who cannot read properly) they respond with the most basic and flat out childish defensive statements. maybe they aren't retarded, but they piece of shit of an excuse of a comeback that they barely get across suspiciously sounds like something a retard might say, which is why i simply brand them as morons.

[|azure|]

Pharlap wrote..

right now the AWM does a lot more suppression than the para. and that needs to be addressed.

INDEED!

[Sava]

wow quickdraw = dumas



LOL



I like the changes proposed. I think change is good, and the proposals I've heard are good. I'm glad cliffe and the rest of the CS team doesn't listen to dopes like quickdraw.



CS is a realistic mod for HL... that's the way the game is advertised, that's the way the modders wanted it... that's the way it is. And the proposed changes are more balancing than they are "realistic".

[melee :D]

QuickDraw wrote..

1) some of you guys are too ignorant to understand that im not against improving cs, im against making it retarded.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa



i'm not going to correct your grammar but i'm going to quote this for it's ironic tendencies

[Pharlap]

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tonto wrote..

this a lil off subject but since we talkin bout some changes in cs would it be kinda kool to see your tag go on the player model instead of jus appearin behind it wen you spray it on someone??? jus something i thought up today with my friend while we were bored in class and wanted to kno other people's opinions about it too

then you would see a flood of people with names like: KICK ME, or I AM GAY. good idea, but open to abuse. someone also suggested being able to use your own face on the player models, kinda like custom decals. but that would be open for abuse too as many people would use an ass/butt for a face. etc...

Sava wrote..

wow quickdraw = dumas

careful there, he might unleash his spelling corrections onto you!

[mikezilla]

just for my own hilarious clarification...



QuickDraw what beta did you begin playing at?

[PimPiNpOtAtOeS]

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QuickDraw wrote..

you guys are all morons.

"the para should be supressive fire *blah blah*"

this is cs. if you want the realism bullsh*t go play another game. f*cking retards. your stupidity seriously baffles me. how long have you been playing cs to still not realize it was not MEANT to be a realistic game. I say if you wanna make cs so damn realistic you might as well take it all the way.



1) have 'roles' like every other "realistic" fps.

2) no money system, money does not appear out of no where.

3) your accuracy should be sh!t when u run, not perfect (like with the mp5)

4) you cannot strafe with any of the snipers while in zoom and still be accurate (scout)

5) all guns kill in 1, at most 2 shots.

6) accuracy of every gun should be decreased since no human has such pinpoint accuracy; that or either have the crosshair automatically move, imitating a persons inability to stay completely still for more than a brief amount of time.

7) running for oever 20 seconds will make you tired

8) the knife doesnt make you run faster, the POS weapon is still on your back.

9) you can now pick up the c4 as a ct if you dont have enough time and run to a "safe" area for it to explode : sacrificing yourself.

10) when you reload you lose all the bullets that were in the half empty clip - when you buy clips it is individual clips, not individual bullets; bullets in the tossed clip do get "saved" miraculously

11) all models should be centered, rendering cl_righthand 1(0) useless

12) only one person on the entire team is a bomb defusing specialist

13) t's have the option of setting the c4 to 2 seconds to sacrifice themselves like the facists that they are.

14) ct's should consist of one unit/team. an american ct would/should never have to deal with a counter-terrorist force that doesn't speak the same language.

15) maps should have no boundaries, or almost no boundaries: like ghost recon

16) only one person is allowed to have a sniper rifle. there is no such thing as a task force where every single person carries the same primary weapon

17) there is no time limit, complete your f*cking task



im sick and tired of explaining myself to your newb ass: its time to summarize and conclude.



CS is not a realistic game, it should never try to be one, that is what makes cs unique. it is a fun HL mod.



Newbs should stop b!tching about cs's realism, there is none. STFU about this supressive fire bullshit. go play another game you f*cking idiot. it is disgusting how valve has already responded so generously to the 30% of morons that play this game when they really want to be playing some other boring sh!t like AA or ghost recon but are too stupid to ever try to look for another game that they really want to play; who instead try to "helpfully suggest" to valve to change the entire basis of this game. there is nothing real about cs. the only thing that IS real is your flaming stupidity and ignorance.

thank you, you stupid idiots of the cs community that want cs to be a different game: all 5 of you.

turds...

wow dumbass why don't u stfu ur gay seriously man u don't know wtf ur talking about

Thortok2000 wrote..

As far as being a realistic game, I don't care if it is or not. But to say "It's not a realistic game so stop trying to add realism" is illogical.



You can add a LITTLE realism, as long as it balances the game, adds more variety and strategy, doesn't make it too hard to play, or unbalance things.



The autosnipers are a good example. They can still be killed with awps, a scout, or good aim, or you could always *gasp* outsmart them, try to flank them, or just get too close to them so that your gun is more effective. You don't stand still right in the open and expect to kill them first when they've been waiting for you.



People have to realize that these changes aren't made for realism, they're made for balance.



And it really doesn't matter if it's a realistic game or not, it needs to be a balanced one.

i couldn't have said it better myself i tryed but failed :)



p.s.:quickdraw is fucking retarted

[ryand2000]

It would be funny if Valve REMOVED THE AWP for a week to see if the psychotic homophobic teenager levels go down.

[Wicked Rage]

Hey quick draw, why are you making fun of our statements when you can't seem to spell either. You act like it's grammer class while it's really just a message board. Most of your comments are redundent saying people are "Ignorant Retards" who can't kill anyone without spraying. If you don't like it, go cry to the admin may'be they'll help you. Otherwise, complaining about steam updates won't get you anywhere, your just wasting your time.