hey even if the AWP is unbalanced both teams can buy it
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so lets have both teams able to buy shield, problem solvedComment
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TorchedN00dle wrote..
doesnt suprise me in the slightest; look at the unthreaded crashprone bugfilled mass that is steam, with all its severe rollout problems and so on. and thats the thing that youre supposed to pay money for. CS is the free bit, so why should they bother if they can get away with a pretty bad pay client.
Well I hope they fix the shield server crash bug at the same time, because I've just found out that it's a major bug that extends all the way to Steam BETA in January/February. How something as big as that gets by all this time amazes me.
and to all ppl who say shield should be breakable; then nobody would use it; cus it'd be like buying a glock.MikeJ wrote..
assault. militia. siege. dust. dust2. aztec. awp isnt balanced at all on any map simply because one team can always get to somewhere slightly quicker and have the noob advantage of being able to sit still when firing awp. its balanced on awp_map though.
hey even if the AWP is unbalanced both teams can buy itComment
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why is awp not balanced? given a 30 min round all players have a given moment when they can opt for the awp. Also if a newb has an awp then he's almost good as dead. not to difficult given that you can fire off at least 2 to 3 burst of ak or colt for each one shot miss of awp.
The problem is that only one side can buy the shield, and of course such tactics as pin pointing with sound and spraying in close quarter combat can result in death if they have the shield, then again if its not infront of them you might get a kill. I would have to see how players with real skill use the shield then we can judge accordingly.Comment
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dust2 not balanced? i guess that's why CPL uses it for their championship matches?Comment
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Sneaky wrote..
yes your right CT's in real life dont use shield, and they dont use mp5's ether swat uses those, dont hear you bitching about that. the shield should stay, its perfectly fine once the bugs are fixed it will be all good and i tihnk it is balanced with it. so now in a match with the one ct watching long and 5 t's rush long, he can survive for more than a second if hes caught in the open.
The problem is with balance. CS is all about weapon and gameplay balance. Now that they have added the shield with no equal balance on the T side they have made the game unbalanced.
Until they come up with another weapon or tactic for the T side to get past the shields then it will remain unbalanced.
They should have a T weapon that either penetrates the shield or maybe a Gas Type grenade that makes them back off an area.
Counter-Terrorist in real life don't use Riot Shields. SWAT uses the riot shields. So for Valve to add a weapon not based on the game and offer no balance to it makes you wonder who is making the decisions at Valve.Comment
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MikeJ wrote..
dust2 awp vs awp isnt balanced is what i meant; might not be fact but always seems to me that the CT's have a pretty heavy advantage. ah well. ignore dust2 then :P
dust2 not balanced? i guess that's why CPL uses it for their championship matches?Comment
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Shield is the most unbalanced retarded thing in the game. I quit cs until the dumb fucks lose the queer ass shield. I laugh at all the faggot that run around with there pussy shield. Go job valve ruining the fucking game.Comment
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x7-Superman! wrote..
I have suggested that before. I can't wait to watch some matches though, two words, TURTLE FORMATION!
the game is not balanced anymore
solution: give the terrorists rocket lauchers.Comment
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I am having trouble grasping the amount of retardedness wallowing in this thread, considering it's limited lenght. I will now proceed to attemp to dewrongify some false comments and observations.Spedmaster wrote..
omg. omfg! 1. "magnum" designation is not related to the speed of the bullet 2. almost all bullets travel faster than sound, only special-purpose subsonic ammo used with silencers do not 3. basic physics -- if the shield wielder would be knocked on his ass by the bullet SO WOULD THE SHOOTER - bullets are not rockets, the exert the same amount of force on the shooter that they do on the target.
Also, someone earlier suggested that a shot from a magnum bullet, i.e. a bullet traveling faster than the speed of sound, would and should knock a shielder flat on his ass.entRo wrote..
So it needs to be monitored through demos and HLTV and logs (if they record stuff like that). Big-o deal-o. In underadminned pubs it is a problem, and needs to be fixed anyhow, but I cannot understand for example 3D-Bullseye's concern with the shield exploit in leagues, if I have understood his position correctly.
The exploit is so ridiculously easyThe new tactics won't be interesting at all. Basically, the CTs have been blocking off doors and entrances to bombsites,
Oh indeed there is NO way to kill a stationary player with the shield, especially when his sides are only protected by a wall. But I do agree that the Ts may need more offensive capability to counter the shield even if I don't think that it imbalances the game too much, and have already agreed that molotov cocktails would be nice.The thing I love most, is that you can fire a deagle through a 2 foot concrete wall.. but you can't fire an AWP bullet through a shield made to stop rocks and weaker guns
It is not a RIOT shield (a plastic thing meant to stop rocks), it is a TACTICAL shield. Those weigh quite a few kilograms and stop a whole lot of bullets, if I'm not mistaken.])3@6][_3-Saint wrote..
Yes they do, and yes they do.
yes your right CT's in real life dont use shield, and they dont use mp5's ether swat uses those,
Hope this cleared some things up. The shield may need tweaking, but it's not the end of the CS world, stop the damn panic you reactionary nublets. :|Comment
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Wow don't whine about the awp... at least it doesn't make competitive CS a joke the way the shield does. In a 1v1 situation, you have two idiots staring down each other because one can't kill the other. The simple thing is, the shielder should NOT be able to change to his weapon faster than the other guy can pull out his pistol. I don't care about how realistic this is, I care about balance. The only team-exclusive weapons that are you could buy before which are USEFUL are reasonably balanced, the m4 is roughly the ak's equal and so on... heck, even the famas and galil are pretty close. The shield gives the CTs an advantage, as simple as that. It needs to be removed completely, or be nerfed into the mold of the tmp/p90: a pub favorite, but one that is not good enough to make it into league play.Comment
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Edited by [user="34305"] @ [time="1063744449"]Vltade wrote..
No,if the terrorists get the chem grenade,CT's shouldn't be able to counter it in any way but backing off from the area.The gas mask would just cancel out any extra advantage the T's might have had with the gas nade.Therefore helping nothing with the terrorists.
If sierra gives chemical gas grenades to the Terrorists, than it might be balanced, but only if cts can buy gas masks.Comment
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Spedmaster wrote..
Simple newtonian physics.
Also, someone earlier suggested that a shot from a magnum bullet, i.e. a bullet traveling faster than the speed of sound, would and should knock a shielder flat on his ass.
Momentum = Mass x Velocity
Momentum(bullet) = .250 x 700 = 175 Kgms^1
Velocity(imparted on victim) = 175 / 75 = 2.3 ms^1
But given the size of the bullet it would more likely ricochet either off the shield, or on impact of human flesh, rip straight through it.
*250g is weight of .338 Lapua round as used in Arctic Warfare MagnumsComment
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isnt the shield called the RIOT SHIELD?Comment
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Gooch_GrG wrote..
yes they are planning on ruining cs gradually through steam so everyone will play HL2 online when it comes out.
heh valve hasnt fixed it in 4 months why would they start now i think they r trying too ruin the game by unbalancing it imho
I'm pretty sure the bug will be fixed within a couple weeks.
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