Pollerific!

[naem]

Have you played 1.6? The MP5 and Glock have been drastically improved. I died in 6 shots to the chest/arms from an MP5. It can take 5 shots from an M4 to kill. That doesn't seem like a large gap in power, does it?



With the mainstream weapons, you get what you pay for. Not talking about the G3, para, etc of course.

[Registered]

xlokix wrote..

like the word "shield" is an everyday word..

ahahahahaahahaahhahahaha

[SALAMIjedi]

The riot shield should be really effective for me cause i tend to use pistols a whole lot, especially p228 and 57. The combination with high powered rounds (and a good amount of them) and heavier armor allows more controlled and effective fire.

[Seven`]

To put it quite simply, I just feel like the shield has no place in CS. Why don't they just make kevlar a little bit stronger.

[abel]

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lopinboy wrote..

They need to just trash the shield and start balancing the current weapons that are unfair (m4 being the most). All 3 Army of Llama servers that I admin for have currently banned the use of shield b/c of its bugs and for its straight up imbalance in games.



Worst thing is when a CT is defusing a bomb with it... he's basically a wall with arms that will defuse no matter what since his shield will stay armed and he will face you the whole time.

You should be hiding near waiting for someone to defuse, even if he has the shield, you gotta gut him like a trout! Its you're duty :P



I do realize though, people like to be far away watching the bomb like a stealthy black man in an alley.

Vassily wrote..

someone way back up there made the comment that whoring the shield and the awp can be dealt with by running around them. the problem with that is they can scuttle behind their shield while you run, where as you're out in the open. i personally dont use the shield because i think it's a piece of shit and kills gameplay, but i can see it being whored.

However, it'll probably get nerfed soon enough, just wish they'd do something about the god forsaken whore mongering game crippling piece of shit known as the awp. i hate that weapon and no other item/gun needs complaining about while the awp is left as it is.

Play battlefield as a scout, that's a proper sniper :P

So.. you complain about two weapons because you think that they kill the gameplay? Something seems wrong here, maybe you should.. try them? What is there to complain about the awp, you move slow with it, shoot slow, are basically fucked if people actually use teamwork to push you (unless you are smart) and loud as hell.. All of that is made up by its power.



Really though, I think they should force people to use 5-7 with the shield, its a really nice gun :)

[busterrifle]

Ok, if the developers listened to all the arguments for removing weapons that people dont like or seem redundant eg M4, AK, AWM, Riot Shield, UMP, P228, Elites; what would that turn CS into? The variety of weaponry and the tactics involved with the weaponry makes the game interesting and different, as there will always be someone who isn't following trends in gameplay. Personally, i think it's fun to run around and kill people with weapons they don't expect.

Also, A lot of people also don't realise that being a good AWM user requires more skill than is assumed. The AWM also isn't flawless, and it is able to be beaten.

[Blood_Shot]

my suggestion for the awp/awm: make it inaccurate for a short time after zooming or moving. the whole hop-out-and-crouch thing is extremely powerful and even more ridiculous. wouldnt a half second or quarter second of inaccuracy after moving be a fair change for the awp? its waaaaaay too lethal as it is. feel free to make fun of my ideas, im a verbal punching bag....

[MikeJ]

I think the awp as it stands makes up for half of the strategies we see in league play and nerfing it to a less useful state would be a drastic change to just about everything. It's too much a part of CS to really get any more nerfing done. However it's a bit late in the game to be introducing features like the riot shield, especially on this outdated engine. I thin they should save innovation for CS2 and just focus on maintaining CS 1.5. Adding some spice to the eco rounds with some new rifles is plenty refreshment for most people, not to mention all the other changes and overhauls 1.6 brings in, the shield is just to damn gimmicky for my taste. I was a big jump nerf supporter when 1.4 came out so i'm not trying to sound hypocritical to huge gameplay changes but i just don't see it really working.

[Diamond Dust]

GoerenZ wrote..

The shield is just another useless toy, which will never be seriously used by anyone ever. A shield user just doesnt stand a chance against anything but pistols, and I can't really think of a reason why it would be better than a colt/ak/awp for any team..

HAH playing fps games online, that will never work I mean you would have to have some kind of "broadband" connection. Yes its that insane. The Shield is great I mean why go with armor and a pistol when you can go with a shield and a pistol. They cost the same. the shield is another case of "THIS IS NOT WHAT WE ARE USED TOO!!!!" most people get it when something changes anywhere.

[Doodleman3]

Everybody keeps saying the shield is unbalancing because they don't know how to kill someone with a shield so I will explain how I kill people with shields and hope that it helps.



This doesn't always work and it probably won't work in clan matches which the poll is about, as far as I can tell this will only work on public servers(because most people on those servers don't seem to have any patience)although it also might work if its down to just you and the shielder and then it will depend on everyones patience, how much time is left in the round, and who is on defense(meaning who's team the timer is going to favor when it runs out)anyway lets get on with it.



OK I'm going to use the AK-47 and attack a shielder, he sees me coming and raises his shield and hopes that I will stupidly empty my clip into his invincible shield and then reload my rifle right in front of him so he can easily shoot me and move on to his next target, I'm not going to do that because I'm not a moron.



Now here is what I am going to do, as soon as I see him I let a 3 round burst loose into his shield to make sure he turtles and can't shoot me so I can run up close to him and just before I stop I let another 3 round burst at him just to let him know that I can't hurt him and then I stop, stand there and just stare at him I mean I've still got 24 bullets left in my clip so I can deal with any of his teammates that come along if I have to and I'm not going to waste those bullets on his shield so he can shoot me when I run out. I'm fine, I've got all day, I made my move already Mr. Shielder now it's your turn to make yours. Those bullets I fired should make the shielder feel powerful and strong because he's getting shot and not hurt and it should start to make him feel a little bit cocky especially with me just standing there staring at him "Maybe he doesn't know how kill a shielder, maybe he's a newbie, maybe if I move really fast I can kill him" the shielder is thinking either that or "Get on with it already! I don't have all day!". At this point the shielder should try to shoot you, when he undeploys he will have to take a second to aim his gun because he had no cross hairs while deployed and that is the second that you need to kill him as soon as the shield moves you should sidestep the opposite way and open fire on full auto about a second later you should have the blood of one dead shielder on your hands and you can move on to your next target. I know that this sounds like it takes ten million years to pull off but I would say that I haven't spent more then about 15 seconds at most from sighting a shielder to killing him.



That is my favorite tactic for killing them and I hope it helps the people who are having trouble with them and remember, you can take killing a shielder slowly I mean nobody's shooting at you are they? no because there weapon is a defensive not offensive, so slow down and think and you'll figure out how to kill them.

[naem]

That tactic works against people who just downloaded the game and who don't know where the center of the monitor is. Try that tactic against someone whos IQ is higher than the number of fingers they have, and you'll see it fail miserably.



Also, when you just stare at the shielder, you're extremely vulnerable from every side. You wouldn't stand a chance if one of their teammates came along from anywhere but directly in front of you.

[Seth051]

Registered wrote..

i hope the shield gets replaced by a uber dinosaur that eats ur enemies

lmao

[CmdrFlesh]

The poll lacks one option:

'I think the shield is a cool idea but leaving players without shields (usually the Ts) bare of any promising possibility to take out one or (in most cases) several shield carriers (50% of the CT team in average) does not match CS's myth of balancedness.'



Doodleman3 (#54), I thought about those 'psychological' tactics before and came to the same conclusion as naem (#55). Too many 'maybe he will think that I might maybe be/do/think whatever' and 'I pray he's a noob' elements. Too many 'maybes' (<- supposed to be the plural of 'maybe'). I saw skilled shielders with deagles take out hordes of skilled ak47'ers just by sitting in a corner. And, like I implied, the shielder's rectriction of beeing unable to carry any other guns but handguns is not helping at all because there is the deagle, which allows 2 or 3 round kills even over large distances, while it's incredibly hard to hit a shielder over the same distance (I'm talking about when he has put his shield aside, of course). HE nades are no antidote neither, as they can't be used precisely enough and can be evaded.



Anyway, don't mind me. I'm just whining like I used to when whining about the AWP was en vogue, I just have to get over my latest, frustrating CS1.6BETA experiences.

[lopinboy]

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naem wrote..

How is the M4 unbalanced? The terrorists have a little thing I like to call the AK-47. The AK-47 is cheaper and stronger than the M4. The only things that the M4 has over the AK-47 is less recoil (learn how to move your mouse vertically and recoil suddenly becomes far less of an issue) and the M4 has a slightly faster rate of fire, it seems.



That sounds pretty balanced to me.

Doddleman3... your tactic will only work when you are only fighting one person. However, when people play CS as a team... you won't even get close to the shield before you have to fire on a guy who has himself an AR. While you fire at this guy... shielder just opened fired on you also.



1 shielder and 1 ar can EASILY take out a whole team.

AK is unbalanced too. Its retarded how you can spend $2500 on a weapon that kills everything else in the game. However, its still not nearly as unfair as M4 which now can not be traced by sound, has VERY little recoil, does lots of dmg, and still has good accuracy, regardless of if you are running, jumping, on a ladder, or whatever, not to mention M4 fires slightly faster.



I really don't see how people can be happy with the current weapons when only 3 guns dominate the game out of the 23 or so weapons. If theres no reason to buy the other 20 guns, then why on Earth should I have to download the extra 20+mb just to get them?

[unidentified]

Blood_Shot wrote..

my suggestion for the awp/awm: make it inaccurate for a short time after zooming or moving. the whole hop-out-and-crouch thing is extremely powerful and even more ridiculous. wouldnt a half second or quarter second of inaccuracy after moving be a fair change for the awp? its waaaaaay too lethal as it is. feel free to make fun of my ideas, im a verbal punching bag....

now thats a damn good idea