Punkbuster used the screen method. Issues arise however in the fact that random screenshotting would cause lag as thei mage writes, just like a normal screen shot, and could also cause literall lag to the connection. PB only sampled a section of the screen to try and avoid it, but it still could cause hiccups.
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Very good posts guys - should be the next CP :)Comment
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T|2i|34L wrote..
does that mean we can sue CSN for theft of intellectual property? :P(someone'll make a joke about 'intellectual')
Very good posts guys - should be the next CP :)Comment
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Spartibus wrote..
Its hard to know where to begin with this well a formulated reply, but lets start with how you contradict you're self. First you say that WWCL messed up the hitboxes, but later in the same line ( You must have a super memory ) you say it was metamod (not meta-mod ).
rofl, C-D has fucked up the hitboxes tonnes of times. It lags bullets and makes stupid bugs like people turning invisible. I bet you're one of the people to say that WWCL didn't mess up hitboxes a few months back either, yet finally it was proven how meta-mod screwed it up. C-D does the same thing practically.
your statistics are ludicrous Ravenium. You obviously don't do any research.
You also say that C-D scews up the hitboxes, since you're complaing that Rav does not do his research you offcourse have proof that C-D does this right ?
Or did you forget to contradict you're self in that line? Since it was metamod that did this, not C-D.Comment
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Not only that, EKS, but from his comments I don't think he has any idea of what actually happened. All he seems to know is what he hears from the screaming, rumormongering fanboys of the internet.
For the more informed, the problem was basically this: About a year ago, when Valve implemented the blended modeling system, they neglected to include this update in their SDK. Because of this, metamod was not updated to recognize and account for this feature. Since pretty much every addon (save a few) utilizes metamod to function with the HLDS process, the client displayed the new blended models, but the server was calculating hits with the old style models/hitboxes.
Spartibus, If you would like to persist in your caveman-like argument of "CD messes up hitboxes!", you might reconsider the foolishness of it first. According to your logic you are blaming every single addon for something left out of an SDK a year ago. Given that it took people a year to even notice, I suspect this was not the end of the world for most public server players. Not only that, but it was quickly patched with some quick work by the community (without Valve's help, I might add).Comment
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I have no idea what any of you are talking about, but when Spartibus said
"I bet you're one of the people to say that WWCL didn't mess up hitboxes a few months back either, yet finally it was proven how meta-mod screwed it up."
I think he means meta-mod screwed WWCL up.Comment
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In regards to C-D I don't like anything that forces me to use the crappy looking models that come with the game. I much prefer my high-poly weapons, models and custom sounds to those in the default, but because of C-D's file verification I can't join any C-D servers. Don't get me wrong - I understand why it does this.
VAC may not be the best, but it doesn't exclude my sexy weapons and shit. I guess I'll have to install CS a second time and use that install for C-D servers.MrFelix wrote..
Very intellectual - asspennies sucks dog it is... - lol
does that mean we can sue CSN for theft of intellectual property? :P(someone'll make a joke about 'intellectual')Comment
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PCZ interviews Joolz and has an interesting discussion on cheats. Surprisingly Joolz himself says cd is not worth the hassle of getting around, and almost made me want to try it except like tribal i like my sexy custom bits n bobs, (its what makes CS for me, as the original is bland.) Also a thought entered my head, Joolz is a cheat and therefore we can intimate that he has the moral fibre of one of Saddams sons. I wouldnt trust him in anywya shape or form, so if he says cd is too tough to get around, and he wouldnt make cheats anymore, One can only assume that this is not so and he only wants us to make the shift so he has a new challenge.
I feel vindicated in seeing that one of the cheat coders is stoner4life, a chap I have accused before on supanet serves. Wooo hhoo My cheat detection eyes are working !!! What I would say though, is bad show indeed, stoners are lazy and on the whole NASA peeps. (Nice and safe atitude) Wh one would go to all the trouble to hack a game doesnt bear thinking about.
Shame on himComment
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T|2i|34L wrote..
Wtf? I don't use a single default model (I've even got down to changing pointless stuff like shell casings etc), and I play on C-D secure servers all the time. C-D does nothing if you've got different models installed. Christ, where the hell did you hear that C-D doesn't let you use custom models?
In regards to C-D I don't like anything that forces me to use the crappy looking models that come with the game. I much prefer my high-poly weapons, models and custom sounds to those in the default, but because of C-D's file verification I can't join any C-D servers. Don't get me wrong - I understand why it does this.Comment
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i think that peanutbutter and jelly is far superior to ham and cheese, unless the cheese is swiss.Comment
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Edited by [user="127113"] @ [time="1059162313"]*Vamp* wrote..
The fact that CD won't let me log into any CD secured server with the message that file verification failed or something like that - if that's the case for you my problem may stem from the fact that I had (like a dumbass) Fusion-Pack 10 installed and removed it. Like a n00b I didn't back anything up cause I figured I'd like all the models. It turned out some of the models were so high-poly that my fps dropped from a steady 100 to 30.
Wtf? I don't use a single default model (I've even got down to changing pointless stuff like shell casings etc), and I play on C-D secure servers all the time. C-D does nothing if you've got different models installed. Christ, where the hell did you hear that C-D doesn't let you use custom models?
When I removed it most of the integral CS files went with it, excluding maps, but I spent a couple hours trying to piece it back together. I may have missed a file that CD verifies - but I was under the impression that it did not allow custom models.
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BTW - here's my error code and it is answered by this line from the C-D FAQ
Q) I'm getting Code 16
A) This means you are using bad skins/models or sprites. Check cdbin.log to find out what model was wrong, replace it with the original.
I knew I remembered it verifying models and shit - so there.
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airwalk wrote..
they just got pwned
i think that peanutbutter and jelly is far superior to ham and cheese, unless the cheese is swiss.Comment
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Someone earlier here recommended a program that'd take an ingame screenshot and send it to a server.. PunkBuster tried that and it got hacked almost immediately so that the cheat would just recognize when the client was about to take a screenshot, and turn the cheat off for a fraction of a second. Octinium does something like this, but it is stored on your HD as an .avi and has "unbreakable encryption" or something like that, which is probably a stretch of the truth but I don't think the program is a bad idea for leagues.
LordIcon: true, the CDKey is stored in the registry, but whos fault is it if someone gains access to your computer via a trojan or whatnot and peeks into your registry?
entRo: You say 95% of cheats get past VAC and C-D. That's totally wrong. Last time I checked a few days ago (BECAUSE IM OBVIOUSLY A 1337 H@X0R) there were two cheats that got past VAC - a wallhack (which can be easily killed by hlguard), and a no-recoil script that just moves your cursor down for you, hardly worth calling a "hack" since anyone who can grip a mouse can learn to control recoil in about two seconds.
rizzuh: True, 1000 cheats is better for cheaters than having one cheat, but if that cheat is spread around on all the popular cheating sites, has many features, and is of good "quality" for a cheat.. that's still a gaping hole in security. Imagine if a virus scanner caught everything except the newest SubSeven trojan and left it undetected for a couple weeks, that's pretty awful.
Rav: you said the only cheats that have recently gotten past C-D are half-assed norecoil scripts and old color aimbots, but that's simply not true. A multihack for C-D came out a day after the C-D update was released, with features similar to a modern version of OGC. Cheats like this have come up frequently in recent versions of C-D, but the team is usually quick to update and nullify the cheats. Looking right now, I see the cheat that is a "modified CD 4.1,u are able to use OGC SE 1.3/1.2/OGC opengl2.7 on CD 4.1" while for VAC, there's only a wallhack, which I said earlier can be easily stopped by HLG.Comment
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Quick note about C-D and models: you do know that the ump 'p' and sg550 'p' can't be changed right? Regardless of if you've got C-D on or not, it'll always be a problem. So check those models. Another thing is there are certain limits that CS has in terms of the model files, so maybe C-D juts enforces those limits abit more then CS usually does. In any case, I've never had trouble, and like I said, I don't use a single default model, sound or sprite.
As another quick note, you said you used the games-fusion pack........ dear lord no. The models in those packs may be good, but most of the time they're taken and put in the packs without permission from the auther, and games-fusion rarely give credit to the authers either. If you're going to use custom models, get them from sites like the Clan Dead Goat Gunshop, CSNation's archives, Weapon-Hacks.com etc. Don't support Games-Fusion model paks unless you really *have* to use them.Comment
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AFAIK C-D only blocks player models that are predominantely one color.Comment
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