VAC Collars More Cheats

[[CyW]-=BigBear=-]

They could release every 10 minutes, but if they're only going to detect less than 50% of known public cheats, it's still pretty useless.



Whereas on the other hand, C-D still blocks over 99% of public cheats. I'm not a statistics man, but the percentages look pretty obvious...

Have you got any proof for these statements that VAC stops less then 50% and C-D stops 99%?



And what makes C-D so much more special then VAC? Imho they both do the same, blocks WHs and detect several other cheats.. Only difference is that VAC bans from all secure servers, and C-D only from the server it runs on..



I don't care really what kind-of anti-cheat is used, but if people make such claims as VAC stoping less then 50% and C-D 99% I start to wonder what's going on??

[naem]

c-d doesn't even ban, so if someone hacks on a c-d server they just get a new cheat thats undetected and rejoin.

[Steakeater]

[CyW]-=BigBear=- wrote..

And what makes C-D so much more special then VAC?

Why Cheating-Death is Different



C-D works on the principle of cheat prevention instead of cheat detection. Instead of rooting around looking for cheats (which many times returns false-positives such as HLamp), it does everything it can to prevent them from working, and it does it very well.



It does it so well, in fact, that about the only thing cheat makers can do to bypass it is for the cheats themselves to pretend to be valid C-D clients. To combat this, the C-D developers change their authentication scheme, which they can do much more quickly than the cheat makers can create their fake C-D clients.

[*Vamp*]

You know, you could have just said "C-D > VAC", alot quicker......

[dmplus]

Vac detecting Hlamp is not a false-positive, it is detecting what it was designed to detect. You could say it's detecting something that isnt a cheat, but it's still not a false positive.



Oh and the effectiveness of CD VS VAC is greatly exaggerated. Ask anyone who frequents CD only servers and they will say they still have about the same amount of cheaters too. Nothing against CD as I think it is very useful for lans and competitions and VAC alternative.

[Coolleroy]

guess no more rage x ultra for me

[Pharlap]

one major advantage of VAC, which CD wil never have, id VAC is completely server side, (well in layman terms ofcourse), ie the user doesnt install anything.

[Steakeater]

dmplus wrote..

Vac detecting Hlamp is not a false-positive, it is detecting what it was designed to detect. You could say it's detecting something that isnt a cheat, but it's still not a false positive.

Banning someone for cheating when they don't cheat is clearly a false positive in every sense of the word.

Oh and the effectiveness of CD VS VAC is greatly exaggerated. Ask anyone who frequents CD only servers and they will say they still have about the same amount of cheaters too.

I happen to frequent CD only servers, so lets try out your theory.



Self: Have you ever seen a cheater on a Cheating-Death server?

Self: Nope.

Self: Have you ever seen a cheater on a VAC server?

Self: Dozens.



You say VAC alternative, I say VAC replacement. :)

[*Vamp*]

I have to agree with Steakeater here. Every single time in the last month that I've played on a VAC 'secure' server there has been at least one cheater on, and I really do mean 'every single time'. My usual server runs C-D instead of VAC, and in the 5 or so months that I've been going to that server, I've never seen one hacker there, except for once when someone started to complain to the rest of us that his hacks weren't working. Fairly solid proof that C-D is immensly better then VAC.

[naem]

Edited by [user="89821"] @ [time="1058921629"]

One cheater every time you play on your server is bs. Either your server is named "CHEATERS COME HERE LOLOL" or you are blind. Or you play on it once every month and get really unlucky. I play on a VAC server and haven't seen a cheater in months.



Also, C-D gets less hackers than VAC because C-D is installed in a very small minority of servers. It's like why Windows 98 got so many more trojans designed for it than Mac OS9, and why there are about 3 games compatible for the Mac.

It does it so well, in fact, that about the only thing cheat makers can do to bypass it is for the cheats themselves to pretend to be valid C-D clients. To combat this, the C-D developers change their authentication scheme, which they can do much more quickly than the cheat makers can create their fake C-D clients.

Bullshit. Explain the wallhacks aimbots etc on cheating sites then. It is a total lie that you have to pretend to be a C-D client to manipulate opengl in HL.



From the main page of a popular cheat site (edited its name so fools wont google it):

**** ***** ******* 7.8 (***)

22. 7. 2003, 22:42



Mattdog realeased his *** 7.8 Cheating Death 4.0 / VAC proof for Counterstrike 1.5.

This hack is very similar with the ogc client hacks.



Its features:



Aimbot



o Aim by Targetdistance

o AIM AT...

- Enemys

- Friends

- All

o Bind on ...

- mouse 1 / 2 / 3

o Aiming

- Aim off

- Aim always

- Aim on mouse1

- low aim

- Aim thru walls on/off

- All aim off

- Human aim (humanaim)

- Target lock on/off

o Norecoil

o Auto speed

o ESP

- weapon on/off

- ground on/off

- names on/off"

- distance on/off

- box on/off

- Glow

- Grenade Glow

- Beams

o Video

- WH install

- XQZ style

- Asus style

- White walls

- Full bright

- Polygon Mode

- Holes in walls

- GL shit on/off

- transp on

- Lambert on/off

o Winamp support

o Other...

- Bunnyhop on/off

- crosshairs

- Nighmode

- Radar hack

- Overview

- Waypointer

- Sound hack

- Weapon fastswitch

CD 4.0 just came out yesterday and already there is this huge hack for it. What's the point.

[focus_dis]

The point is the fight is on. If P.diddy Bush taught you anything its that its good policy to go into war with every foe. No time to compromise, no time to ask why cheat, they are evil and we have to fight them at every server, every mb, we support our troops. Go VAC, Go CD we stand united in being prouder of you.

[Serious Sam]

C-D isn't fool proof.

[Spartibus]

naem, I <3 you.



It seems to me that most of you C-D lovers are in a false sense of security. Thinking VAC only stops 50% of cheats and C-D stops 99% of cheats is just fucking ludicrous.



A few cheat makers/whatever don't seem to test their cheats on VAC servers. On most of the cheat sites I've been to, I see "C-D 4.0 Proof/VAC Not Tested!" Almost everyone of them has more C-D proof cheats than VAC proof.



VAC has been updating from what seems at least once every week, where C-D recently updated because they stole some code from the OGC 9 cheats or something and had to change it. HMM.



That's not to say that cheats arent released what seems day after VAC makes an update, but same goes for C-D, and C-D appears to be updated far less than VAC. But I believe people fear getting banned for 8 years, so there tends to be less cheaters running around.



So think what you want.



I really want C-D to die. I respect the work UA is doing but I just don't believe it's up to par with VAC and it's just causing newbies to get confused.

[[CyW]-=BigBear=-]

Edited by [user="6035"] @ [time="1058929508"]

#39 actually has a very good point.. The reason why you probably see less cheaters on C-D servers is because only a few servers use it, and cheaters aren't bothered to play on them when they have to install a client etc.. But I'm sure C-D is as easely 'hackable' as VAC is because they bassicly do the same thing, VAC also has cheat prevention (WH Block) next to cheat detection.. I'm also sure Valve has looked how C-D works etc, they are not stupid..



Asfar as I'm concered both anti-cheat methods are useless aslong as there is a single cheat that works on them.. My belief, and that of the community, in a fair online game will only return if we can be 100% sure cheating is impossible.. I wonder if that day will ever come.. I've put my hope now on HL2, hoping it will stay cheatfree for a long time, and Valve has learned it's lesson from the cheatinvasion on the HL1 engine.. But it's probably false hope because they go for a mod-friendly engine again, which probably also means easy access for cheatmakers again.. But maybe they come up with some sort of 'pure' server & client setting which allows absolutely nothing to be changed or hooked to the game.. There has to be a way to have a cheatfree game imho..

[DirtyDevil]

w00000t you sir should run for presidant and be a pro game not con than get all those 18-20 year olds to vote for you and u would be like jesse veinchera only presidant not a govener and not a wrestler a cs player and.... nvm bad idea