Mr. Lugosi wrote..Yes
Does everyone else get totally sucked in by that GriffinRun banner everytime?
BlitzUKT wrote..Sweet! go SK
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ND will play either aAa or SK.sca in the final.
GonePostal wrote..People buy a product because it does one of 3 things.
MikeJ wrote..
Change is part of what makes CS what it is.
No, change is what used to make CS what it was. It's not a mod anymore. It's a retailed game. People buy the product because they are pleased with the current state of the product.
-:Nighthawk:- wrote..Yet again, we see another dumbass that worked the system and got through school without learning to read. These are mostly bug fixes, tweaks, and anti cheats. These are not major gameplay changes. If you buy a game, and you bought that game because in it's current state of gameplay it entertains you, but later, another version comes out and it changes the gameplay and now it doesn't entertain you anymore, how would you feel? You payed for that current state of gameplay, but now it's changed and you can't get your money back. Don't you feel a little mad?
Now to my little cynical remarks. First off, let's not argue 1.3 vs 1.4. Reading the posts of GonePostal, he seems to believe that after CS went retail, nothing should be allowed to change, since it's not giving people what they originally payed for, right? Therefore, let's kick the discussion back to what it really is (if you want to use that line of reasoning), version 1.0 vs version 1.4 of CS.
First off, I think this is a great idea. I really enjoyed the misplaced hitboxes in various situations that CS 1.0 gave me. Sure, when I was aiming correctly I missed sometimes, but hey... half the time I was aiming poorly I got lucky hits anyway! How cool is that?
I also liked the old style score board. This whole new "clean" layout just doesn't compare to the old classic boxy look that I had come to love in CS. It used to be so mysterious what server you were on if you forgot... now people can just press TAB and have it listed at the top, ruining the suspense.
And what about the awp? With good ol' 1.0, I was able to quickly aim for an opponents small toe and kill him instantly. It's realistic! He would have bled to death... eventually... in real life, so that's good! Now sometimes people can survive a really poorly aimed AWP shot. How dumb is that!
And then there is the classic speed cheat. My days of CS used to be a fantastic repetition of round after round of attempting to kill speed cheaters, then seeing if there was anyone else left on my team to complete the objective. Now with 1.4 and all the anti-cheat technology, there's no way to massively unbalance the game by using simple programs. Everyone you fight against has to spend time learning things like how to aim, how to listen, and other boring parts of the game that greatly reduce your ability to rack up insane kill:death ratios. Sheesh I hate this 1.4 stuff...
Then, like MikeJ said, there's no longer the fun of watching a good classic "crack whore on a pogo stick" player work his magic on the other team. No... now we have to just run, walk, crouch, and very rarely jump... like a real CT team. How utterly stupid. I came to CS thinking I was Neo... why can't I jump like him anymore?
By far the worst of them all, though, I think voice com was a terrible addition to CS. I mean, before, you had to type out messages or use radio commands. This gave the attacking team a nice balance against the defending team, because instead of just saying "we're under attack at B site" in voice com in a half second, instead they had to type it out, risking the possibility of getting shot while doing so. But along came newer versions which removed this great strategic element in CS. Change is obviously bad.
And yes, if you were unable to notice the sarcasm in those paragraphs about 1.0 being better... you're either not an english-speaker, or really, really dumb. :) Point is, just because something retailed in one form doesn't mean it doesn't have any room for improvement. CS evolved constantly before going retail, and has continued to do so. Like it or not, it's well known. Try it out... adjust a bit... you may find it's not as bad as you want it to seem.
rizzuh wrote..You can still rarely find places to jump that will give you short cuts. Like if you jump from a high ledge, high enough not to get a jump penalty, that helps in rushing.
GonePostal wrote..
Yes it does. Just not as big as it used to be. By your post, you have nothing to contribute to the argument why these changes are good.
How does the jumping slow-down even come CLOSE to helping a rusher? Please don't excuse your living-in-the-past mistake with some made up argument.
I don't have to defend why the changes are good, the CS team took that prerogative. You have to explain why the changes are so bad that they merit a complete reversion. It's your burden, not mine. I've already won.
GonePostal wrote..
If you buy a game, and you bought that game because in it's current state of gameplay it entertains you, but later, another version comes out and it changes the gameplay and now it doesn't entertain you anymore, how would you feel? You payed for that current state of gameplay, but now it's changed and you can't get your money back. Don't you feel a little mad?
p!ge0n wrote..You never jumped over any obstacles? Funny, you must be playing on a flat field. And guess what you did, but in CS you can't, dive. So instead of diving and proning in CS, you jump and crouch.
....got back from paintball yesterday....funny, i don't remember jumping at all.....
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