LuftWaffle wrote..Nope, HPBs have being using them for a hell of a long time especially the G3 of couse Sig Sniper has being use by HPBs though most HPBs pass it on when they get the G3SG1
Err well yeah but usually the AWP isn't restricted.. hence the uselessness of the Sig and G3 (which are both on the wrong teams btw).
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Come on give CS:CZ a little chance, maybe it may suprise you....
Eg. When everyone thought the duals was good when it was released in beta 7...... But after a month of gameplay or so most people agreed that the duals suck, but then as the duals soldiered on to 1.3 some people found out the duals true purpose. CloseQuarterBattle. Indeed, the duals are highly effective backup weapon in the close quarters of italy for the mac10/shotty users. Also for the cash-strapped T, the duals offer as a far cheaper alternative SMG to the MAC-10, by binding the +attack to the mousewheel, the T can make the duals have an mp5 rate of fire or even higher.....Also the duals are even more accurate than the Desert Eagle when fired slowly or in a 4-6 round groups it is one of the most accurate pistols in CS.... Did I say in short range, while going full auto makes it a headshot king ?
Hence quit dissing that CZ suck, who knows maybe the LAW maybe such an effective weapon that everyone soon forgets about the HE grenade.... Maybe it can blow up things that were undestroyable by normal weapons and grenades........
I.E Only chemical crates can be destroyed C4 so maybe the LAW can bust all the wooden crates littered all over CS into sawdust thus flushing out campers or potential hiding spots... ( anyway it is stupid to let your enemy know u are hiding behind a box since any AR and the PARA can shoot thru them ).Comment
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P@nsyR@nger said:
Hence quit dissing that CZ suck, who knows maybe the LAW maybe such an effective weapon that everyone soon forgets about the HE grenade.... Maybe it can blow up things that were undestroyable by normal weapons and grenades........
Thats the potential problem with the law...if its so powerful that evrey1 drops nades and take laws....then cs will become like q3 and ut....a run-strafe-jump-crouch rocketfest
I.E Only chemical crates can be destroyed C4 so maybe the LAW can bust all the wooden crates littered all over CS into sawdust thus flushing out campers or potential hiding spots... ( anyway it is stupid to let your enemy know u are hiding behind a box since any AR and the PARA can shoot thru them ).Comment
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Edited by [user="2579"] @ [time="1017031474"]Eagle225 wrote..
Ummmm but did you see this post...?
Thats the potential problem with the law...if its so powerful that evrey1 drops nades and take laws....then cs will become like q3 and ut....a run-strafe-jump-crouch rocketfestrizzuh wrote..
Eagle your concern has some merit but I'd say we won't have to worry about it.
I'm glad the CS team still has control over the online version or this silly weapon might actually get into the multiplayer version of Counter-Strike.
BTW rizzuh why did you divide the comments into pages instead of one long shpeal? (schpeal? shpeel?) For load time or for clarity?Comment
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I think its better this way. Easier to get to the last post you read. =) Thank you PHP guru RizzuhComment
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P@nsyR@nger wrote..
The Dual Elites were never liked. Before the release they were mocked, exactly like the LAW is now, after release all found out that they were useless. And they still are useless. And no one uses them. Ever. And they suck.
Eg. When everyone thought the duals was good when it was released in beta 7...... But after a month of gameplay or so most people agreed that the duals suck, but then as the duals soldiered on to 1.3 some people found out the duals true purpose. CloseQuarterBattleComment
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beretta elites own you...
its actually quite a shame they work like they, the beretta 92f is a really useful pistol in terms of tactical usefulness, marines default sidearm i believe.
Should have been non akimbo maybe, just a single beretta might have been cool.
but i digress for rizzuh will use this post against me to bash the law.Comment
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Edited by [user="9002"] @ [time="1017044316"]
I actually would of liked to see the duals cost more, be more effective, and maybe be comparable to an smg. With the rate of fire of 2 92fs beretta's you could do some serious dammage.
Plus it woulda been cool if we could have been able to run around like Bruce Willis in Last Man Standing, Antonio Banderas in Desperado, or like Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible 2, but the fact of the matter is the duals suck and we can't be cool like those guys and kill every one in sight using them
Yes non-akimbo would be way better. The person looks gay while shooting them. I wouldn’t look cool enough while shooting so I don’t bother using them. At least hold them with the arms fully extended or maybe be real cool and show the person holding them facing inwards :)
I mean they are t's. They don’t know how to hold them properly... look how they shoot the AK, from the hip lmao. And while sniping too. At least with the SIG they look like their attempting to aim, lolComment
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rizzuh wrote..
Rze, quit dissing the duals, this is a mailbag for CZ:CDG not the pistol mailbag, anyway one more thingy, the DUALS DO NOT SUCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Dual Elites were never liked. Before the release they were mocked, exactly like the LAW is now, after release all found out that they were useless. And they still are useless. And no one uses them. Ever. And they suck.Comment
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Eagle225 wrote..
Thats the potential problem with the law...if its so powerful that evrey1 drops nades and take laws....then cs will become like q3 and ut....a run-strafe-jump-crouch rocketfest
Not necessary, there would be no rocketfest I assure you.
First, only 1 LAW can be carried at 1 time...
Second, if everyone is gonna take LAWs and jump around or strafe around aren't they all going to miss except for the splash damage?
Third, LAWs are long-range weapons in CS, no-one is going to run up to a fellow and blast it at him at point-blank range, unless that guy is on low health and is feeling particularly suicidal ( not recommended to do with a rocket launcher in ANY FPS ).
Fourth, LAWs fly slowly and are pinpoint accurate weapons like the AWM except for the spread and in CS no-one and I even mean Campers should not stay at one spot for too long.....
Fifth, another weapon to frighten and stop campers from camping and sniping. CounterSnipers are not included.
LAWs are also great for flushing out people from hiding places and letting me put a bullet to their head with my scout...
Let change the subject, remember that the 7.62 M60 HMG will be appearing in CZ as well..... Remember they say it the longer you fire the more accurate it becomes...
Consider this then it takes only 3 bullets from an ak to kill a man if the HMG is going to be more accurate as ya fire it full auto as oppose to the other weapons which gets less and less accurate while at full auto.....
Do ya get the picture, if the HMG is gonna have an accuracy similar to that of the M4A1 while at full auto I would quit playing CS as any newb can easily frag any of us just by going full auto with that HMG...
This weapon will then really ruin CS becos when I fell in love with CS I like it becos it fufill the meaning of the phrase " Big does not mean good ". If that big HMG is gonna to be the biggest and baddest gun in CS I don't see the point of playing CS anymore...Comment
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Excuse me for saying this but I find the situation somewhat amusing.
Everyone has shit they hate in the upcoming betas. The cries and screams and whining and bitching begins well before the actual beta is released.
Without fail all the complaints, no matter how eloquent, are ignored. Then the beta comes out and after another month of complaining, everyone adapts or quits.
Now personally I have trouble imagining what use a LAW has in a counterterrorist situation. I also don't see how gas can be used in hostage rescue situations - newbies have always wanted nerve gas and the response has always been "its not realistic".
It seems realism is going out of the window for fun (which doesn't necessarily mean gameplay). Imagine italy with the t's in the house all using law rockets down the two long corridor and molotovs on the inside stairwell. Sound like fun for the CT's?Comment
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Another one talks about realism.....
In CS 1.4 there is something called a jump pause..... it means you jump once and you will pause for a moment.....now imagine you are escaping from an AWM whore, jumping is the natural thing to do.....you jump, land, stop. He zooms in, "BANG" you are screwed.... If you had a LAW, you can fire away in response, the AWM whore would then make a choice either run, get bang up really bad or get screwed if it is a direct hit...Given the choice most people would back away... And when the LAW saves your ass more than once from a sniper, everyone will say yeah the LAW is great.... and the Snipers would get upset and say it unbalances the game and the debate goes on....
If the LAW is really too powerful, they ( GearBox ) could do something like release a patch and make the LAW only available in the Single Player where you may have to bust vehicles, if they could do that to the ammo belts than why not?
As a final thought, Id just like to add that while many people are comfortable with the amount of realism and/or balance in CS, there are always gonna be people who arent satisfied ( like the guy who's name starts with C ). I say, screw em. They are gonna be pissed anyway, might as well have fun with it. I say, make CS almost impossible for the T's. After all, in real-world combat, one side doesnt go, "hmm, do you think we should use grenade launchers? I mean, wouldnt that be a little unfair? They've only got machine guns and snakes. Lets not take the grenade launchers in, ok Ralph? Lets try to keep this balanced. Lets at least give them a chance to kill us."
You want realism? Theres your realism. Unfairness. Would you play CS then? Prolly not. So take your LAW with a spoonful of sugar and go to sleep you pussies.Comment
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Everyone is sooooooo concerned about the CTs.... what about the Ts...
Imagine dust, Typical Match 10 to 10 or 9 to 10
1-2 LAW-toting CTs and 1 AWM whore guard the ramp facing the tunnel and the opposite ramp... 3 positions locked down
including the area in front of the double doors.... Then 2 or 3 smart asses go to the the openings and chuck gas grenades.....
Ts cant move and get stuck somewhere in the middle plus the gas anim fucks up their ping time, CTs go to the openings, lob HE grenades, fire LAWs, rush in with guns blazing.... GAME OVER...
So while we Ts have our fun in italy, we certainly do not have much fun in dust either.......
So want a map, where there are no boundaries go for assault.... If CTs camp, we win. If you rush us, you may win as well. In assault the HE nades are far more useful for clearing out the vents, this is where the LAWs fail.... Also since assault is mostly frenzy long range firefight especially at the roads, the LAWs would be more useful for blasting away CT snipers and CT rushers, the LAW would give the Ts a chance to rush back at the CTs.. Hence breaking the long term siege where T usually camp, and CTs have to figure a way to get in....Comment
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Edited by [user="8345"] @ [time="1017111189"]
Realism is pants........ if everything is gonna to be realistic, take the confict between the IRA and the SAS..... Any weapon can be use....The IRA fav sniper rifle is the Barret, a Cannon that fires High Explosive Inciendary rounds and the SAS cant wait to put a LAW into their heads, so should the CS team add it becos it is realistic... No they cant do that becos while CS is meant to be realistic it is Still A GAME..... It has to be balanced. Why don't they add the frag grenade which is far more real and powerful considering it uses ball bearings and is lethal with withnin a 30m radius.. Why don't they include White Phosphorus grenades as well which burns and blinds people.....
AS mention the LAW is meant blast off a tank's track, turn a pillbox or a fortified position into rubble.....This means that it is a strictly armour busting weapon, it wont have much use against infantry unless it directly hits that guy then that fellow would turn into a pile of giblets.....If it explodes somewhere nearby the shock of the explosion would only at most hurt that guy but not kill him so it is not an absolute doiminator....
Those who are still harping on the "REALISM" thingy ( the crap that the LAW is not "realistic" ) consider this...
The Special Forces in Tora Bora are now hunting down the Al Qaeda members and Mr Osama...
The Special Forces ( SEALS or Rangers ) are definitely CTs and Mr Osama's Al Qaeda groupies are Ts...., Other than the Carbine And the AK held in each others respective hands what else is on their backpack.... A ROCKET LAUNCHER more ACCURATELY a LAW & a RPG respectively.... So who is the asshole who said which CTs do not use LAWs...
Oops am I mistaken? Oh this is war not a counterterrorism effort or something..... But say why do they call it A War Against Terror...Comment
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