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all these changes seem fine except for the AN94 being more powerful, IMO that gun was overpowered in the first place.

[MrChris_CJ]

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yeh I do, but Dice do not

you can see that because they nerf the M16 and actually buff the AN94 lol

and nerfing the 40mmsgn

(and then the 4x dart)

oh it goes on

[hurricane04343]

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its not that really, its the last gun to unlock but it was by no means the most powerful, beforehand it was at least a meaningful choice to choose between the ARs, the M16, AN94, M416 and arguably the XM8p were all perfectly fine guns, the AUG, FN2000 and AEK were the ones that needed improvement

but certainly not bringing all their damage rates etc etc at range etc in line with eachother, the guns should have different abilities and areas to excel

but now they have simply made the M16 utterly useless and the AN94 the king, the more I look at the changes, however subtle they might seem the more stupid they seem

I really didn't explain what I meant well enough. I understand the reasoning behind not having a super weapon as the last unlock so that no one uses the others, but the last unlock should be a better choice than the other guns. This is just an example, but say you have three guns in a tier, guns A, B, and C. Gun C is the last unlock. Gun A is good at distance, and gun B is good in at close range. Gun C shouldn't be super powerful and be good at all ranges, but it should be decent at close range and decent at distance (kind of an average of the other two). Now if you are on an average map that has both close range fighting and long distance fighting, you would obviously choose gun C. It is not overpowered, but it gives you an advantage in that it is versatile. If the battles are usually at close range, then choose to switch to gun B without sacrificing much. Yet overall, gun C is still the best choice in most situations but it's not overpowered.

Now they nerf gun C (M16) so that it is bad at close range and bad at distance. What is the point of it being the highest unlock then? It is not a better option that either of the other options, so basically it becomes a gun A/B, and then one of guns A or B (in this case, the AN94) becomes essentially the gun C, yet is a lower unlock. Which goes against the tier system.

That's just my opinion at least. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

[imported_Calibre]

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haven't really played enough of the new patch to comment yet.

[MrChris_CJ]

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That's extremely stupid IMO. The point of the unlock system is that the higher unlocks are better than the lower unlocks. They shouldn't all be equal. The M16 is supposed to be the best gun, that's why it was the last unlock. And now they nerfed it so it's worse than guns of a lower tier. They should rework the unlock system then.

its not that really, its the last gun to unlock but it was by no means the most powerful, beforehand it was at least a meaningful choice to choose between the ARs, the M16, AN94, M416 and arguably the XM8p were all perfectly fine guns, the AUG, FN2000 and AEK were the ones that needed improvement

but certainly not bringing all their damage rates etc etc at range etc in line with eachother, the guns should have different abilities and areas to excel

but now they have simply made the M16 utterly useless and the AN94 the king, the more I look at the changes, however subtle they might seem the more stupid they seem

m60 to me seems still very lethal. i guess that shows how OP'd it was. i'm still tearing it up with it.

basically they removed a bullet of damage, still does 16.7-20 and they made LMGs less accurate from the hip, so no more medic waves who run and jump around holding fire

BUT

they made the ****ing things even MORE accurate from scope, one of the major problems with the M60 wasn't just its damage, which gave M1ers the ability to hold fire and mow but its insane accuracy, it doesn't even matter that it got a damage reduction, you can sit back and snipe everything

[GunHappyBob]

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Everything looks good to me. Glad to see the M60 and 40mm launcher get a nerf, hopefully we will see more varied weapon usage. I don't understand why that had to mess with the Mortar Strike. I thought it was just right how it was.

[The_Eliminator]

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Really dont understand there reasoning for a lot of the changes if im honest.

The M16 was was a good weapon yes, maybe slightly OP but it IS the last gun you unlock and it does have a counterpart in the respect of the AN94 which got buffed??

Sometimes DICE, even when you get stuff right, you still fail.

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Im just glad they didnt touch my G3

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Wow they did touch my G3, screw it im not playing anymore

The only real guns that needed balancing were the M60 and the tube, not everything!

[imported_Rafterman]

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m60 to me seems still very lethal. i guess that shows how OP'd it was. i'm still tearing it up with it.

The moving accuracy has definitely been reduced. I won several CQBs with M60s last night and it was because the guys were trying to strafe me. Frankly this is how it should be.

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Until yesterday the game was 20% fun and 80% frustration.Now they killed it with the patch,and from experience,it wont get any better anymore.I stopped playing it.

BF3 wont "blow us away" like they tease,it will LALALA LALALALA !!!


EPIC FAIL !


Waiting for BRINK ...

[foxyman]

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i stopped playing when i hit 32 a long *** time ago

[imported_Snazzy]

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The BC2 helicopters were pretty underwhelming in the first place, which was probably deliberate because the game is basically an infantry shooter with the odd vehicle thrown in.

But I didn't like the vanilla helicopters in BFV or BF2 either, I think mods like DC and PR did a much better job with them.

BF2142 gunships were pretty rad until they nerfed the Doragon for no apparent reason.

That said I like some of the changes, but DICE always goes too far when they try to balance things.

To be fair game balance, especially in BF is complicated and difficult to get right. But it's harder to forgive DICE after they ruined the air to air combat in at least 3 of their games as well as nerfing other things unnecessarily.

[Minmaster]

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m60 to me seems still very lethal. i guess that shows how OP'd it was. i'm still tearing it up with it.

[troybob]

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That's extremely stupid IMO. The point of the unlock system is that the higher unlocks are better than the lower unlocks. They shouldn't all be equal. The M16 is supposed to be the best gun, that's why it was the last unlock. And now they nerfed it so it's worse than guns of a lower tier. They should rework the unlock system then.

I disagree with that. The unlocks should give variety in different situations not the uber gun for the jobless 15 year old (present company not included.)

On that note I've never used the m16, but I like the other changes.

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I hate the M16 now. The burst spread is already enough so it's hard to get more than 2/3 rounds on a target at a distance. So with the already low damage, it was fine at a distance. Now it's just garbage. Low close range damage, low long range damage. LMGs on full-auto at long range get more hits than an M16 with measured bursts.

[(BG)Patton]

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i wish they would fix the M1 garand