Forgotten Hope 2 Mod Update

[lulz]

Re: Forgotten Hope 2 Mod Update

Yes, because everyone who plays a game online posts in that games news posts.

Your logic is perfect.

[|D|-Jaws]

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Sorry Jaws, but if you think you mapping for BF2 (a completed game) gives you any insight on how a full conversion mod is being developed, i would have to say you have no really insight at all.

Im sure your a very skilled mapper but lets not get over enthusiastic here.
As pointed out by others including FH and PR devs themself your logic is flawed.

I wish we could go back to the good ol' days when moding was appreciated and spoiled kids where killed on sight. (not aimed at Jaws)

Did you even read my post. I don't map just for BF2. I've mapped for multiple mods.

And I'll be sure to mention what you've said to the full conversion mod team which I'm part of....I conveniently left that tidbit out...out of respect for my fellow mod developers. And I wanted to see just how far you'd go to diminish any success I've earned. You think that because I choose not to have a little developer tag in my profile that I don't know what I'm talking about.

The simple fact is...it's you that has no understanding of my involvement within the development community.

My skillset isn't locked down to mapping. I have a working knowledge of 3D modeling. I can use Max and Maya and Blender and I also have knowledge of Python. So I understand and appreciate what those specialists (modelers/coders) do in those areas. I choose not to do those tasks because it's not my forte. Mapping is where I find myself at home. Now if you want to diminish my mapping abilities, go ahead. Mappers are the folks that bring it all together. Can you imagine what Karkand would play like if it were flat? What about all the other classics from the rest of the franchise? The fact is this....mapping is just as important as all the other jobs in a mod team. That's why it's called a team.

and for the record, nobody...I repeat, NOBODY has pointed out my logic as being flawed. Lobo's statements....which was to be some kind of reminder, was that PR had the advantage of having content to work with where FH didn't.

It doesn't matter...his statements VALIDATE and PROVE what I've said because regardless of what PR had or didn't have to work with...they DID NOT WAIT to release their mod. They could have...they could have waited until they had all their own original content in the game...but they didn't. And it's because they knew better. Someone in PR is very smart...and I imagine that is eggman. Now that doesn't mean that FH had that same luxury because they didn't and I already know that.

But really, what does this have to do with your remarks to me with regards to updates because that is what this is all about.

So again....

People lose interest on the final product. Too much hype builds and leads to unreasonably high expectations....expectations that can't be met because modding is an evolutionary process. You mod, you test internally...and then you release. You get feedback...you tweak and build your mod further. It's not a process that has an end until the devs give up and move on. Too many people are unforgiving these days when it comes to mods and it's based on two things...long development times and "hype" generating updates.

And again....if FH stops posting updates...will that cause you to NOT play their mod? Do you need updates to be pacified? I don't. And I don't get my updates from TotalBF2...I get them direct from the mod sites themselves because I'm that interested in their works of art. If all mods decided to stop giving out updates, that still would not cause me to lose interest because I know they are hard at work unless they say they have given up.

I only come here to show my support....which again...I did.

Originally Posted by |D|-Jaws
if anyone needs a drool cup, I have them...5 for a $1.

Oh yeah...

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the binary question was me being funny in a good way....I think the FH devs know I'm kidding.

If all mods decided to stop giving out updates, that still would not cause me to lose interest because I know they are hard at work unless they say they have given up.

Ok...so for me, I don't know what else to say to you. I bust my butt to give people new content for free. I support all the mods in any way I can. I don't ask anything in return. I lobby and work with people to get the mods in competition to help them gain DESERVED exposure. I and my clan are completely ingrained in this community and we only have one goal...to see success for everyone while having a good time gaming.

If you wish to continue the debate...PM me please or you can come on our Vent and discuss in real time man to man.

--Jaws

[Sauerkraut]

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Jeeez there is so much to read Well I m looking forward to BGF and FH2 :)
Uh I hope I didnt start a new discussion

[Sashimi]

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Has everyone completly forgotten what happened with the first release of FH1? Exact same situation, ppl complaining their asses off for a release, but instead they got one. Those some ppl then starting complaining their asses off about how unpolished the release was, whining "why didn't you spend more time on polishing this and that?" or "why did you release so prematurely?" Just absolutely disgusting. The FH dev team could just release right now and have an exact repeat of what happened with FH1, but i'm guessing they'd rather not...

[[GCA]Tim270]

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Man im tired of reading the same ****ing comments every update, just enjoy the beautiful work.

[Blackice]

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@jaws cause you can use a program doesn't mean your any good you know. the program is the tool and you are the artist. Don't forget that.

[sava700]

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Yes, because everyone who plays a game online posts in that games news posts.

Your logic is perfect.

his logic is perfect... look at POE2 its a great mod and I love to play it..but in the last two weeks the online player count has really dropped... last night it was barely in the 80's with 4 servers populated between those 80.

Right now as I'm typing I can only see 102 so thats up a little but hey for US players there is only 2 playing in one US server.

So his logic is perfect.

@jaws cause you can use a program doesn't mean your any good you know. the program is the tool and you are the artist. Don't forget that.

You gotta have the skills to work that tool... So I'll be waiting on your kick *** maps!

Thanks for the resume. You will be contacted by our employing department.

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are you 12?

[Lobo[FH]]

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Ladies and gentlemen, c'mon, |D|-Jaws is expressing an opinion with respect, I think he is missing my point of two diferent mods, two diferent release strategies, but well...why you are arguing about his moding skills?

I like that map, btw

[Real-BadSeed]

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I think the updates are too good, they seem to be killing people :p

[demolitio]

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Great update! I felt like I was watching a game based solely on aircraft when it's really much, much more. You guys really represent the common military phrase, "Attention to detail."

[AJED (G.Drew)]

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again, appreciate the work guys, this work makes EA/DICE look like a mod team!

and 12 maps! that is quality, undoubtedly

the 100+ posts on this thread goes to show that whenever FH2 releases an update, its a major event, and i dont care if it take another 2 years or so till this mod is completely finished, ill still be here, patiently waiting



this thread also shows that some people should never be alllowed near a keyboard

[LMAV]

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Can you guys give us any information on your work with bf2combat.net and the tournament they will be doing for FH2?

[imported_K_Shizzle]

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Has everyone completly forgotten what happened with the first release of FH1? Exact same situation, ppl complaining their asses off for a release, but instead they got one. Those some ppl then starting complaining their asses off about how unpolished the release was, whining "why didn't you spend more time on polishing this and that?" or "why did you release so prematurely?" Just absolutely disgusting. The FH dev team could just release right now and have an exact repeat of what happened with FH1, but i'm guessing they'd rather not...

This is Total BF2, a lot of the people here haven't even played BF1942 sadly.

[sava700]

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Can't wait for another update

[zuiquan1]

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This is Total BF2, a lot of the people here haven't even played BF1942 sadly.

With BF2 brings a whole new slew of impatient kiddies....


(note: That wasn't aimed at Jaws, or Sava, or a few others....I rather enjoy there arguments and I think they do make good points, regardless of if I agree with them or not )