Re: BF2: A Game For Terrorist Training?
You must have confused me with someone else. I did not claim any figure for the causalities. I did not say hundreds of thousands and I did not lower anything! I just wanted to say that the current KNOWN numbers are bad enough.
FYI, I do not label myself as liberal. I am actually closer for being conservative than liberal (if I have to choose, but more accurately I am somewhere in the middle). If i criticize W then it does not mean I am liberal.
I personally do not like Fox because their propaganda style is irritating to me. They do not seem to respect anyone who disagrees with them.
Gallup is not part of a liberal media. Even "liberals" attack Gallup for being "conservative". Go and check MoveOn.org if you like. Anyway, that is a different issue. (FYI I do not remember when was the last time I watched CBS).
There a lot of bad things happening in this world. You do not have to go to war to help someone (including the Iraqis).
I did not say that W is wrong for going to war because he did not help the people in Africa or even tried to convey that argument. I wanted to say that there are too many easier peaceful good deeds he could do if he ever cared about helping the Iraqis (or non-Americans in general).
America is not a charitable organization like everyone else. Bush had his reasons to go to war and those are not the announced ones. He wanted to play the innocent but that is too good to be true. I cannot imagine him willing to spend 100's of billions of dollars and sacrifice thousands of Americans just because he wanted to help the Iraqis.
The argument about the war in Iraq can go forever. Let’s stop here because no one will convince the other!
Maybe we'd better go and play a game instead! I like the DAO :) it will help if you can be Support or Engineer :)
Originally posted by Vetteman248
I don't think it's even tens of thousands, Blackduck. At least you admitted you're inflating the numbers for effect and lowered it from hundreds of thousands.
Death is tragic, but is part of what happens in war. Unfortunately it takes risking life in order to gain democracy in almost every case. Many many Americans died in our own Revolutionary War when we gained our independence from England. Many have given their lives fighting for our own freedom and the freedom of others throughout history. You cannot say Bush does not care about the freedom of the Iraqis because he hasn't liberated every oppressed person in the world. That's a ridiculous argument. :laugh: I wish we had enough allies to help the people in Africa, but we do not. Maybe someday the rest of the world will want to help oppressed people too and chip in by committing troops to back up their promises.
The insurgents are opposed to the Iraqi people having representative government so of course they're going to attack with all they have. Does that mean the Iraqis are supposed to quit? What do you propose we do? Say oops democracy is a bad idea because people who are opposed are attacking?
I would like to know what your solution is for Iraq. So far all I've heard from you side is essentially leaving and letting the Iraqis try to fend for themselves against those who are suicide bombing them and trying to throw their attempt at democracy off track.
As far as Syria, I think that's where Saddam sent the majority of the weapons. Even the UN and the Clinton administration acknowledged that Saddam has WMDs, but you forgot that, huh. And for the record, helping a country establish their own elected government isn't aggression.
Lastly, who does the polls on Bush's approval ratings? You guessed it . . . liberal media. Like they're going to allow anything Bush does to be shown as good. But I don't care who I play BF2 with. As long as they can shoot straight and support a squad.
Death is tragic, but is part of what happens in war. Unfortunately it takes risking life in order to gain democracy in almost every case. Many many Americans died in our own Revolutionary War when we gained our independence from England. Many have given their lives fighting for our own freedom and the freedom of others throughout history. You cannot say Bush does not care about the freedom of the Iraqis because he hasn't liberated every oppressed person in the world. That's a ridiculous argument. :laugh: I wish we had enough allies to help the people in Africa, but we do not. Maybe someday the rest of the world will want to help oppressed people too and chip in by committing troops to back up their promises.
The insurgents are opposed to the Iraqi people having representative government so of course they're going to attack with all they have. Does that mean the Iraqis are supposed to quit? What do you propose we do? Say oops democracy is a bad idea because people who are opposed are attacking?
I would like to know what your solution is for Iraq. So far all I've heard from you side is essentially leaving and letting the Iraqis try to fend for themselves against those who are suicide bombing them and trying to throw their attempt at democracy off track. As far as Syria, I think that's where Saddam sent the majority of the weapons. Even the UN and the Clinton administration acknowledged that Saddam has WMDs, but you forgot that, huh. And for the record, helping a country establish their own elected government isn't aggression.
Lastly, who does the polls on Bush's approval ratings? You guessed it . . . liberal media. Like they're going to allow anything Bush does to be shown as good. But I don't care who I play BF2 with. As long as they can shoot straight and support a squad.
You must have confused me with someone else. I did not claim any figure for the causalities. I did not say hundreds of thousands and I did not lower anything! I just wanted to say that the current KNOWN numbers are bad enough.
FYI, I do not label myself as liberal. I am actually closer for being conservative than liberal (if I have to choose, but more accurately I am somewhere in the middle). If i criticize W then it does not mean I am liberal.
I personally do not like Fox because their propaganda style is irritating to me. They do not seem to respect anyone who disagrees with them.
Gallup is not part of a liberal media. Even "liberals" attack Gallup for being "conservative". Go and check MoveOn.org if you like. Anyway, that is a different issue. (FYI I do not remember when was the last time I watched CBS).
There a lot of bad things happening in this world. You do not have to go to war to help someone (including the Iraqis).
I did not say that W is wrong for going to war because he did not help the people in Africa or even tried to convey that argument. I wanted to say that there are too many easier peaceful good deeds he could do if he ever cared about helping the Iraqis (or non-Americans in general).
America is not a charitable organization like everyone else. Bush had his reasons to go to war and those are not the announced ones. He wanted to play the innocent but that is too good to be true. I cannot imagine him willing to spend 100's of billions of dollars and sacrifice thousands of Americans just because he wanted to help the Iraqis.
The argument about the war in Iraq can go forever. Let’s stop here because no one will convince the other!
Maybe we'd better go and play a game instead! I like the DAO :) it will help if you can be Support or Engineer :)
:drevil: :nerr:
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