Is taking out the uss Essex baseraping?

[BlueBunny63]

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Play the whole map. Sometimes you get spanked at your home base. Boo effing hoo. Play the game better.

[USI_Krusher]

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Well, let me throw this out there, and tell me what you guys think. I was playing on 1st Armored Division (1stAD), and was flying the MEC Mig on the 64 size Zatar wetlands. I had just dropped bombs on the airfield close to the first US Uncap. (missed too damnit!). So i was looking back behind me via the camera view to see where the impact was, and then switched to forward view. As soon as I switched, there was a F35B hovering over the Essex, I had tone/lock and fired a bunch of missiles as I was turning. They hit, he died, and within 10 seconds I'm permanently banned now.

I've played there before without issue, but maybe a warning would've been better? Instant permaban. It wasn't a constant cylce, that was the only time I went near the Essex.

Over the top ban? Were they perfectly within their rights to ban me permanently?

Let me know what you all think.

[LadySorrow]

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obviously the Admins need a little policing. They are getting kick and ban intoxicated. Its time for a little clean up I think.

[unununium]

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The problem is clans letting too many newbies have admin rights on the servers. Even CS (which people seem to think is the scourge of the gaming world) has servers that are better administrated on average.

[[SoP]d4rk4$$4$$n]

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Replying to the original topic of this post: If it shoots at you, you shoot at it.

Why would EA have put guns in uncaps if they didint think there was gonna be fighting there?

And to the people who are annoyed by people baseraping without all the bases: Spawn somewhere else!!! You'd have to be an idiot to keep spawning in the same place.

[MooneyBravo]

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I remember on Daqing an admin was sitting in a mobile-AA right on the edge of the uncap. base. Well you'll see that now he has range to lock anything that's going to the three cappable bases around it. He was racking up kills and kicking anyone that shot back at him.

What I never could understand is the admins that only kick people if they're the ones caught in it. They'll ignore you if their team is the one doing the camping, or they look the other way on artillery strikes.

[=IMO=PFCBerkeley]

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I don't understand why people really have all that much to complain about. You go into a server, and play. If the rules there are not to your liking, leave, find another server. Its not that hard. Some people don't want to have people in the uncaps, if you are one that doesn't care then play on servers where thats considered fair play and go for it. If you don't like it, when it happens leave. Its really as simple as that. Even with the number of servers going down there are at least 900 ranked servers up. If you can't find one of them with rules you can live with, well the problem may not be with the severs.

[MooneyBravo]

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A few people here complain because in some cases what the admins are doing can be classified as Stat. Padding. Which is 100% against the rules.

[=IMO=PFCBerkeley]

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I understand the complaints about that, but the people complaining about others not liking spawn camping of uncaps or the other way around, it just doesn't really make any sense to me.

[MooneyBravo]

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It has always been a widely discussed topic for this game since the '42 days. One important note is that in the ladders and leagues you can baserape, spawncamp, and steal vehicles all you want...at least it was like that with '42.

I always accepted it as part of the game no matter what. Spawn somewhere else, if you can't....then try to escape. The one thing that'll help the situation on a lot of servers is having a large round start time. That way everyone is loaded the game and in squads before it starts... No more guy with the game on a RAM drive in the base with some vehicle waiting for everyone to spawn.

[zipp0r]

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It shouldn't be but it gets abused a lot. I've seen admins who sit in the Essex AA and engage any enemy plane that comes within range, but if the enemy plane attacks them back they accuse them of base rape and ban them. Even if the plane has been ignoring the carrier the whole round, and only came into range because it was chasing a US plane or helo.

I've personally been warned several times for chasing smoking helos and jets back to the carrier and killing them just as they got there. These were aircraft that had already been out attacking my team and were running back for repairs, but I was accused of base raping because by the time I caught up to them they happened to be "near" the carrier. The no base rape clause in the ROE should not exist at all, but if it is going to be there it needs to be worded much more clearly with more detail on what can and can't be restricted. As it stands it is abused constantly by idiot admins who bend and stretch the rules to unbalance the game in their favor when they are playing on the side with the uncap.

ive had the same, ok for the aa gun to shoot at me while chasing a plane, but not ok for me to defend myself and take the twat out... got banned for that, thanks 50k :laugh:

as for baseraping, everyone does it, USA will baserape chinas cappables and china will baserape usa's uncappable. red circle or no red circle its still base raping. but should be allowed because no one should be able to sit in a group of 10people waiting for vehicles and be immune from death.

[Afu-Ra]

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Uncaps are fair game. Noobs jsut cry to much about it, which entices me to do it even more. if i have a perfect opprutunity to take out a jet thats gonn go airborned and take out my people. Im gonna seize the opprtunity.

[govedob]

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Well, as the title says, I do it quite alot on maps like wake island so I can safely take out any boats and helo's leaving the carrier.. I never get near the carrier for other reasons, and I only do it once someone starts trying to shoot me down with it.

Opinions please :p

I didn't know that you can enter the essex at all if you are mec or pla.

[bitvomit]

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Of course the essex should be fair game. Any server admins that do not allow AA to be blown up at uncap bases should be shot.

Another point I would like to bring up is that damn near every server that has rules against baseraping has an infinite supply of jerks that are gonna break the golden rule. Yes, vigiliant admins can ban them left and right but the facts are: admins can't be responsible for a server 24/7, baserapers can get away with alot of grief before they are finally kicked/banned, another griefer will come to replace the kicked/banned player in due time, admins are only hurting the players that cannot retaliate against baserapers (eye for an eye), the rule creates an air of paranoia in the server (ie, did my bombs drop to close to the uncap, is the chopper pilot that I just killed going to lie to the admin and say I base raped? How do I respond quickly to such accusations while flying?), it also makes AA in uncaps practically invincible in servers where you cannot attack them (also more paranoia in servers where you can attack uncap AA, kill one bystander and an admin can have your ass), baserape accusations can be difficult to prove and certainly are not very fun for admins to prove either, on the other hand admins will dole out bans immediately due to false accusations (i've seen people abuse this and have been victim to it).

That's just a short list but there's plenty more things that are wrong with this rule. I believe that uncaps should be fair game for any player/vehicle to attack. The way I see it, admins are just catering to plane campers and in fact encouraging them to stay at the uncaps with this rule. So what if that pesky F35 keeps strafing your uncap and blowing up your jets? AA is lethal now, go use it. AA by itself should negate any uncap attack rules. I've been on many servers with uncap rules and It's always the same crap, jerk comes in and TK's for jet/chopper then goes to the uncap and starts laying waste to it. Then the admin bans him and another guy joins the server to replace him. It's just a waste of time and resources. Admins will never win this battle. Give it up and let the players play the game the way it was intended, the way that they obviously want to play it, let us attack uncaps.

[imported_Calibre]

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I get kicked all the time for "baseraping" and all I normaly do is attack the phalanx guns, and it ****es me off big time because they are fair game for a jet imo.. thankfully i've found a server that isn't up tight about such things so I just play mainly there - it has a higher standard of player on it too because people tend to try and deal with situations rather than screaming for admins to kick people instead..