Sniper kit + friendly fire on mines off = worst gameplay experience ever

[puglous]

I've only noticed this in a few maps so far ( like the Euro-force "Great Wall" map, the Special Forces "Warlord" map, and Sharqi) , but since it could apply to battlefield universally, I'm posting it here.

I know most servers turn friendly fire from mines off, and if there's one person who hates people who punish for their own stupidity, it's me. However, in any infantry heavy map, half of any team is snipers. Without friendly fire on mines, even a sniper with the IQ of a retarded loaf of bread is garunteed two free kills by randomly placing a claymore somewhere. I played sniper and that's exactly what happened. The second I spawned I dropped one claymore, then another a few meters away, and soon enough I got two kills. It was dull and not very satisfying, but I needed to do it to keep a half-way-decent score.

Now, as I said, I hate people who punish for their stupidity, and many people probably say "Yay! Take that! We win, smacktards!", but if we have become so frustrated by those who punish for running over our mines that we've been driven to create a crappy gameplay experience, are we really the ones who have won?

Snipers are annoying enough as it is. They turn the game into a UT dancing contest in any outdoor fight because the second you stand still to take cover, you get sniped. But when they can place claymores anywhere and get free kills without teamkills, it's just over the top.

Okay, before you respond, read below. The most likley responses I'll get have been pre-answer below:

"OMG! OMG! Stop whining and do the same!"
I have been doing the same when it gets frustrating enough, but I payed for a game with 7 kits, not 1. Once one kit becomes too powerful the game is forced to lose its variety and ability to strategically adapt to the situation.

"Stop yoru whinning and adept and overcom you bg crybayb kidy!!!!!!!!2"
Why don't you adapt and overcome to people who disagree with you by putting up a decent argument or avoiding the thread (or, perferably, human contact) altoghether

"You are just th3 whinnin cus you we're owned!"
Read my post so you have the slighest idea what you are talking about before you responding. I specifically said I played sniper and was able to get kills, but it was dull.

"But then everyone blocks the exits to the base! Thats' why it's okay to punesh those idioticic mind layers!!!!1 Hahaha! No new00b stands in t3h path ov hte 1337 terminanatorz!"
If you remember what the most basic laws of physics are and apply some primitive logic you'd realize these exits for your team are enterances for your enemy. Then again you probably already realized that if you were able to put toghether that (somewhat) logical sentence.

"Then don't play on infantry based maps"
As I said, I didn't pay for only infantry based maps, so I'd rather see all the maps capable of being fun.

Use pre-answered responses at your own risk.

What's the right solution to deal with people who punish for their idiocy after they run over your mines? I'm not sure, but it certainly isn't this, because I'd perfer friendly fire on mines. I don't even want to imagine what it will be like when people start doing the same with engineer class.

Your thoughts? Has anyone seen this on any other maps?

[Arkasha]

Re: Sniper kit + friendly fire on mines off = worst gameplay experience ever

Here's my own take on your complaint: it's hardly appropriate for you to rant about claymores when you also drop them. I snipe exclusively, and out of some 700+ kills, exactly *22* are from the claymore. That's it. I don't feel obligated to use them, and so I don't. You weren't obligated to use them either.

What I found interesting about your rant was: "It was dull and not very satisfying, but I needed to do it to keep a half-way-decent score." Here is the problem in a nutshell. You set out to play a class, but what you really wanted was points. Then why bother to be a sniper? More important, what's the big deal with your score? Who, apart from you, honestly cares about it? It was this "need" (your word) of yours that made you use the claymores, for which you blame other players, or the game, or something other than yourself.

The answer's simple: if you don't like using claymores, then don't use them. But if you're going for those oh-my-god-I-gotta-get-some points, then don't later complain about your own free choice in how you went about getting those points. And please, stop the complaints about claymores. It's not as if snipers are overloaded with them. We get *2*, while spec ops and engies get 5 of their explosives. It's not as if the entire landscape is littered with them, especially after 1.21. Further, if you find that you're getting blown up by claymores a lot, start paying attention. You're probably going via some really obvious route, and the sniper is capitalizing on your lack of foresight.

The few times I drop claymores that's exactly what I do. I drop them on the shortest route between two assets, because I know the spec ops are trying like hell to get lots of quick points, so they rush from one asset to the other to blow it up. If they just took a slightly longer route, they wouldn't encounter my claymores. The funny thing is, the same people keep getting blown up by my claymores. They're not learning, and that's their problem -- not mine.

[Phrag]

Re: Sniper kit + friendly fire on mines off = worst gameplay experience ever

You forgot my likely response.

oh noes! it's a claymore! the most uberest weapon that no one can ever defeat. what ever shall I do? I could never play as a squad with other people. then I might have a medic that would revive me after getting blow up by a randomly placed claymore and that would mean that I would have to cooperate, stick with the squad, and not do what ever I feel like. besides, it would take away my only reason to cry about a game. oh perish the though!

[TheGhost]

Re: Sniper kit + friendly fire on mines off = worst gameplay experience ever

I don't understand why people are still crying about this. It was only really a problem for about two days after the 1.2 patch when lots of people were playing as sniper to try out the new gun and the accuracy changes. Since then I haven't seen excessive claymore usage at all, with the exception of once in a rare while running into that guy trying to get one of the explosives badges. I'm calling BS on you and anyone else trying to make claims of "OMGZ half the team is snipers" or "OMGZ I can't walk five feet on Karkand without running into a claymore". And like mentioned above, if you are playing in a squad... with a medic... the way any serious infantry player should be... then claymores won't give you any trouble at all.