ROE Update from EA/DICE

[WarGimp]

Re: ROE Update from EA/DICE

So you still lose points when you accidentally TK even if the person forgives you right?

Being punished has NO impact on your score at all.
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The only thing a punish does is move you one step closer to hitting the TK-punish threshhold for being kicked.

I've only been kicked once due to punishes... and that was because I TOWed a full APC that was being driven by someone with the red tag issue going on.

[switch176]

Re: ROE Update from EA/DICE

Our server currently runs FF OFF always as many others do. Although this does seem to put an end to most of the TK's for vehicles, you CAN still be teamkilled in 1 of 2 ways. Either you are standing next to a vehicle when a teamate blows it up, or you are run over by a teamate. The latter is the reason I contest the ability to Turn TK punish off. I'm sure everyone here has jumped into a jet/helo/tank and had an idiot teamate stand infront of it. I find it only vindicates the person who decided to punish for laying down in front of the vehicle in the first place.

[WarGimp]

Re: ROE Update from EA/DICE

Yick! FF off? Blech!
No danger of me player there... ever.

Each unto their own tho. If it makes you and yours happy, then whatever.

If you really wanna have all punish features off, there's a simple way to endrun the RoE. Just set your TK Punish threshhold to a stupidly high setting. I presented this as being a loophole to BF2RS and no one freaked out.

[zipp0r]

Re: ROE Update from EA/DICE

Being punished has NO impact on your score at all.
Nothing
Nada
zip
zlich
zero

The only thing a punish does is move you one step closer to hitting the TK-punish threshhold for being kicked.

I've only been kicked once due to punishes... and that was because I TOWed a full APC that was being driven by someone with the red tag issue going on.

youve got your wires crossed. a tk = -2 points, a punish = another -2points, for a total of -4. some servers will kick at a certain -score, but the thing that decides wether your kicked is the amount of people you tked. not to mention it tots up over your total time on that server, no matter how many maps youve played. which is another ****ed up aspect of the tk punish system.

[JonnyMacFred102]

Re: ROE Update from EA/DICE

Being punished has NO impact on your score at all.
Nothing
Nada
zip
zlich
zero

The only thing a punish does is move you one step closer to hitting the TK-punish threshhold for being kicked.

I've only been kicked once due to punishes... and that was because I TOWed a full APC that was being driven by someone with the red tag issue going on.

Yikes! Once only? You are that much of a goody-goody?

[Uber:Jagermeiter]

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Yah- we don't pay for our servers so we should do whatever they say

[switch176]

Re: ROE Update from EA/DICE

a tk = -2 points, a punish = another -2points, for a total of -4. some servers will kick at a certain -score

If this was the case I might actually be FOR the TK punish system. At present the TK punish system does nothing but auto-admin a server. Why on earth would I want my server auto-admined when there are always admins on?

The testing I have done warranted me -1 points everytime I shot a teamate. Then -2 team points for every TK.

[AnotherEd]

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Why on earth would I want my server auto-admined when there are always admins on?

You sir, must have the best server in BF2 then.

The ones I play on, rarely have admins. The ones I play on, when they do have admins, they don't react to a situation unless it directly impacts them.

I must be playing on the wrong servers. Oh wait... aren't ranked servers supposed to provide a pretty level playing field across the board???

My point is you may have a smoother running server, but that doesn't mean everyone else does. And if a requirement is made across the board to improve everything as a whole, I'm behind it. Similar to your complaint about the custom scripts. Why should HKS be allowed to run scripts you can't? Why should you be allowed to run your server with TK off when others aren't and they definitely need it on? Both are very fundamental aspects of this game we all agree affect the outcome of a playing experience.

[AK47-Warlord]

Re: ROE Update from EA/DICE

Being punished has NO impact on your score at all.
Nothing
Nada
zip
zlich
zero

That is not true at all, wether forgiven or not you ALWAYS lose points, -4/-6 when punished and -3 when forgiven, which is BS, Ive been forgiven for accidental TK but yet still lost -3 points.

[Blades]

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youve got your wires crossed. a tk = -2 points, a punish = another -2points, for a total of -4. some servers will kick at a certain -score, but the thing that decides wether your kicked is the amount of people you tked. not to mention it tots up over your total time on that server, no matter how many maps youve played. which is another ****ed up aspect of the tk punish system.

Wrong. Wrong.Wrong.Wrong.Wrong.Wrong.Wrong.Wrong.Wrong.Wr ong. Dead Wrong.
A tk is sometimes a different amount of negative points because team vehicle and team damage is a factor. Shoot someone. Team damage is -2, teamkill is -2 or -4.punish does absolutely NOTHING.

[zipp0r]

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Wrong. Wrong.Wrong.Wrong.Wrong.Wrong.Wrong.Wrong.Wrong.Wr ong. Dead Wrong.
A tk is sometimes a different amount of negative points because team vehicle and team damage is a factor. Shoot someone. Team damage is -2, teamkill is -2 or -4.punish does absolutely NOTHING.

i know how they work
if you teamwound someone that has full health down to half, you will get -2 points. if you shoot them to 0 health, you will get another -2 points for the tk and then if they punish you will get another -2 points. the -4 for a tk and punish is when you tk them outright, eg they have low health, or you headshot them or tk them with a bomb or something.

if your going to quote me and say im dead wrong then at least try to prove it and not spout rubbish because its clear you have no idea what your on about.
i could make a fraps vid and take screenshots of how it works, but i cant be arsed just cos you dont understand the tkp system.

[Blades]

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Ok then, kill someone. Look at your score and you will see negative points. Now wait for the punish. Press tab, or whatever button you mapped the score screen to, and check again. Ok, did the negative points change? No, they didnt.
BEING PUNISHED OR FORGIVEN HAS NO IMPACT ON YOUR SCORE. Punishment simply tracks the tk and brings you closer to being kicked.

[zipp0r]

Re: ROE Update from EA/DICE

Ok then, kill someone. Look at your score and you will see negative points. Now wait for the punish. Press tab, or whatever button you mapped the score screen to, and check again. Ok, did the negative points change? No, they didnt.
BEING PUNISHED OR FORGIVED HAS NO IMPACT ON YOUR SCORE. Punishment simply tracks the tk and brings you closer to being kicked.

yes they do, you see another -2 added. oh and i can tk upto the limit without punishes and still be banned for teamkilling.
seriously go learn how it works, take a friend on a server where u know the tk limit and you'll see that your wrong.
infact want to make a bet? £50 says im right!

[Blades]

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ok, we could have yes they do and no they dont going back and forth the entire night. I cant play on weekdays so I cant prove it to you, but can someone make a video that disproves what he says now? a series of screenshots would even suffice. and the punishes act as an auto admin, but if an admin is THERE he will ban you and you will get the same message as if you were autokicked. You have no proof that you were autokicked or kicked by an admin.

[« R²» HKS]

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You sir, must have the best server in BF2 then.

The ones I play on, rarely have admins. The ones I play on, when they do have admins, they don't react to a situation unless it directly impacts them.

I must be playing on the wrong servers. Oh wait... aren't ranked servers supposed to provide a pretty level playing field across the board???

My point is you may have a smoother running server, but that doesn't mean everyone else does. And if a requirement is made across the board to improve everything as a whole, I'm behind it. Similar to your complaint about the custom scripts. Why should HKS be allowed to run scripts you can't? Why should you be allowed to run your server with TK off when others aren't and they definitely need it on? Both are very fundamental aspects of this game we all agree affect the outcome of a playing experience.

He can run the tkpunish annoucement script the same as we do. We simply took the step to get it "officially" approved by EA, not the it "should" be ok to run on ranked servers as the person who wrote the script said. Even some Official EA servers now run this script too.

Answer me this. What is the point of globally enforcing the tkpunish system when having FF on "isn't" a requirement? Say you run a ranked server and have FF off but you have to have the tkpunish on now as per the ROE. WTF is the tkpunish system going to do when FF is off? Absolutely nothing. Whilst tkpunish may be on nobody can tk anybody with FF off. So what's the point. FF off servers effectively have no tkpunish either, even though its on its just plain dumb.