will u buy the euro force pack

[beastoftheeast]

im going to wait. not a big fan of using cedit card online. well my mom isin\'t.
and direct2drive is horrible. i dont have a fileplanet subscription and it will take forever to download.

[Xanthias]

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I have friends buying mine and I"m sending them the money. Wife doesn't like random charges like that. But, I can take out cash at will. Go figure!

[cheesewz]

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not a big fan of using cedit card online. well my mom isin\'t.

Hate to burst your mom's bubble, but using your credit card with a reputable online site is more secure than using it in a restraunt or some other place that actually touches your card. Have her do some research. The number of fraud and identity theft cases from online sources is a very small percent of overall numbers.

Personally, the one time I had a fraudulent use of my card was a few days after using it in a crappy gas station that made an imprint of my card. They weren't able to complete their bogus use of my number because they were too stupid to know enough to write down the CCD code. I've easily spent at least 100K in online purchases over the last few years and have never had a single problem. Unlikely that you'll get boned by EA.

BTW, yes I'm going to buy the EuroForce Booster Pack.

[big_sammy_b]

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^^ yeah thats right online shopping is probably more secure than using your credit/debit card andwhere else.

For me though i won't be buying it because i bought SF and it sucked and ive barley played it.

[Private_Adam]

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I am getting it and my dad is buying it for me

[Xanthias]

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Oh yeah...card companies like MBNA let you set up a one-time use number that's "disposable". You could say have a $20 limit set up and expires in 2 months. Pretty sweet. I use it for all my online purchases!

[[MyIS]Spetsnaz]

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He is correct. Online purchases are commonly processed via a high grade encryption algorithm called AES-256 (Advanced Encryption Standard - 256 bit).

When you take your card to a restaurant and give it to the waiter/bartender/etc, he can easily make himself out of sight without you noticing and write down the credit card number, expiration and CCV number then use it in a gas station or even online purchase where they normally do not check ID.

AES is used by the government, multimillion dollar corporations .. and us, so it's much more safe to send your CC number in encrypted form to the verification servers than to give it to some smelly guy that punches the numbers in himself or slides into a machine.

Email confirmations are sent unencrypted, but they usually do not contain any information that someone may use to steal your information.

On the other hand, much if this stuff is in the hands of the developers of the software that processes your order itself (not verification of the credit card). When you type in your credit card number and click submit, your credit card number is in the hands of the application that is sending the data to the CC verification servers. Given some absent minded software developers, or criminal ones, they could possibly rip you off for alot of money.

There was even an incident when a employee at, I think, VISA, was caught carrying sensitive customer information on his laptop (addresses, phone numbers, CC numbers, etc). It was all unencrypted. He left the laptop in the car and it got stolen.

The point is, nothing is 100% secure. Nothing but cash

But if you think that way, maybe you should lock yourself in a padded room, eat baby food and wear silk clothing -- crooks will always be around and I for one will not alter my lifestyle in dramatic ways to avoid them.

I had a chance to try Euroforce and was highly impressed. Will be buying it to support the booster pack concept and DICE :)

[Xanthias]

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Hell with writing it down!! Camera phones!

[[PTG]Commando]

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i will when it finally comes out

[cheesewz]

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On the other hand, much if this stuff is in the hands of the developers of the software that processes your order itself (not verification of the credit card). When you type in your credit card number and click submit, your credit card number is in the hands of the application that is sending the data to the CC verification servers.

Most of the time that is done in a secure manner as well. I've been doing secure, high volume e-commerce apps for about 5 years. Most of my customers don't have a need for repeat card use, so the card number is never stored in a database. The only thing we store is the transactionid from the card processor in the event we need to audit a transaction. For sites that do store credit card numbers, we don't store the number in the clear anyway. It is usually encrypted with a high grade algorithm.

[[MyIS]Spetsnaz]

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Most of the time that is done in a secure manner as well. I've been doing secure, high volume e-commerce apps for about 5 years. Most of my customers don't have a need for repeat card use, so the card number is never stored in a database. The only thing we store is the transactionid from the card processor in the event we need to audit a transaction. For sites that do store credit card numbers, we don't store the number in the clear anyway. It is usually encrypted with a high grade algorithm.

Yes, this is the smart thing to do. Storing credit card data is a bad idea and shouldn't even have been started in the first place. When someone contends that and says "its easier", i say.. "if you go to a supermarket.. they dont store CC number do they? Does that keep you from going to the supermarket?".

What I was referring to was the process between the user hitting the submit button and the actual call to the CC servers (via cURL, POST, or any other protocol that will work under SSL). You're still giving the data to the merchant first and that merchant verifies it. This means if the security of the merchant's application was compromised, someone could sneak in and inject some code that would, say, send out all credit card numbers processed to a free email address like Hotmail. If he's outside the US, he could easily get on a private proxy and connect to the hotmail account (they wont be able to trace his tracks there) -- pull out the data. If it's a big company, by the time they notice, it'll be too late and many people will lose alot of money.

This is why it's important to never order from 3rd party websites that don't have a telephone number that you can call them at. They should also have a valid address (not a PO Box) and be established for a few years.

I've seen people come into IRC with questions like:
"how do i create a ecommerce program? im new"

It's these people that lie to their employer who knows nothing about programming that make things very.. very.. very dangerous.

[cheesewz]

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What I was referring to was the process between the user hitting the submit button and the actual call to the CC servers (via cURL, POST, or any other protocol that will work under SSL). You're still giving the data to the merchant first and that merchant verifies it.

That's why I stick to good merchants. Usually the biggies, but if I can't find a good deal with them I'll do some research on pricegrabber or statmarket. If a merchant has a good rating from 1000+ site users, they are probably ok. Never had a problem.

Your point is valid about what a developer can do. I've done some fun stuff at work to prove points about security like sticking an intercepting filter in and harvesting data from requests to a log file. Did it with high value network passwords. My counterparts were ****ed, but the point was proved about how easy it is for a trusted developer to exploit something without anyone noticing.

[fore a lot]

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Same as above. But i can live w/o it. so any delay of EF is ok to me.

[R0man]

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Hate to burst your mom's bubble..

No, no I think you enjoyed it

I'm sorry...couldn't help it

But seriously I agree with you, I've made dozens of online purchases and never had a problem.

[HicRic]

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Getting back on topic :p I won't be buying it unless I hear of No Added Bugs and a lot of people saying how enjoyable it is. "Wait and see" this time for me.