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  • Mr. ADHD

    #1

    BF2: Nice guys finish last.

    Heyhey,

    Foreward: If you can't dicuss the topic without flaming or keeping your hostility locked up...don't post please. Personally, I think this is an interesting situation that could probably merit a Thesis (all rights reserved) hehe.
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    Now that we're into our what? 3rd patch? I think everyone, EA, Dice and consumers have learnt some invaluable lessons on what to do and what not to do when patching a game.

    'You can't please everyone' This should be written on the walls of the every Quality Assurance Department. Sure companies should try, but is it feasible or worse cost-effective?

    For the last 6 months DICE/EA have been trying to do just that. Not a bad idea, but the reality is that some of us will hate Bunny-hoppers and others could care less.

    If we go back to the late 80's early 90's...patches were non-existant. They had one shot to get it right. Often they didn't. Today's industry has the luxury or the burden of immediate consumer feedback. Keep in mind this is relatively new concept and the consumer and the developper are learning how to work with it.

    Developpers and distributors want to deliver innovative, polished, complete and entertaining games....really they do, but there are a lot of variables and it's more often than not a crapshoot.

    In a move of good faith, Dice/EA have successfully addressed issues like Chopper Whorin', etc...but failed miserably on key issues such as red/blue bug, CTD's ect... Trying to please the BF2 community, DICE/EA have made several modifications some good and bad to gameplay but only resulting in more bugs, more balancing issues and more whinning from the community. Personally, I commend them for their attempts, though not as fast as I would like...then again we are the NOW generation.

    Customer satisfaction; an on the job training. Star Wars: Galaxies and BF2 and more to come are at the mercy of the Forums. In essence the situation is like when you date your first uber Hot chick...you try and give her everything to keep her happy yet she still walks out. hehe.

    I'm confident they learnt quite a few lessons on this one and I hope as consumers...we did too. Be careful for what you ask for...(ie: Claymores and FF).

    Developpers need to remind themselves that fixing major issues such as technical problems should be their priority and modifiying balancing issues such as the uber noober toobers...should be a last resort. Though...I love the weapon modifications personally.

    You can't please everyone or should we say...If it ain't broke...don't fix it. More importantly...if it Broke...don't ship it.
  • menace-uk-
    Member
    • Apr 2006
    • 615

    #2
    Re: BF2: Nice guys finish last.

    customer feedback is a great way to fix a game cause you have 1000.000 + peeps testing it but the problem with Dice/EA is with BF2 they released it too early and from the start had big problems with it and every patch that has followed has eva fixed it made it worse or added more problems i dont see how EA/dice has stayed in business if this is the quilty of games/patches you get from them


    It was not a rant this is what is wrong with game

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    • rombaft

      #3
      Re: BF2: Nice guys finish last.

      some big remarks that will make your post totaly unneeded .

      If we go back to the late 80's early 90's...patches were non-existant. They had one shot to get it right. Often they didn't. Today's industry has the luxury or the burden of immediate consumer feedback. Keep in mind this is relatively new concept and the consumer and the developper are learning how to work with it.
      You just can't compare games from that age with games from now, then if it even where games that couyld be played online, you had only deathmatch, also it was only run, duck, jump and shoot , simple as that ,
      now, these days games have so many features, that there always will be something that will be exploited, what would you have exploited in the 90's ? hitboxes where so simpel, and lag was so big, ......

      Also , you are clearly not a player of the old games , I can tell you it was a disaster, there was cheating, cheating and cheating big time , also there was a chance you bought a game and wouldn't work on your PC and there you where, no support or very litle .


      then about the support now to the comunity , you give as example starwars galaxy's, well, FYI they patched this game and made changes to it to gameplay they lost the entire asian market, everybody stopt playing, and the servers where closed in whole asia.

      Sometimes they fic something good, but there are lots of things they change the way they feel and not the comunity

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      • madass

        #4
        Re: BF2: Nice guys finish last.

        I dont normally complain, in fact I have never posted a negative comment about EA. But nearly eight months after the game was initially released I need to do some serious venting. Last time I checked a patch was supposed to clear up issues and make the game more playable. Now the anti-tank class is virtually unplayable. Missles some times dont fire or go right through vehicles and this happens close to 20% of the time. Some maps (Kubra Dam, Wetlands) are almost unplayable when before the patch I never had any issues with lag (7800 gtx, 2gb ram fyi). For me lower FPS on many maps. To maps on special forces cant even be played even though we payed money for a freakin expansion.

        Come on, I can see missing some issues with beta testing. There is no way any decent amount of beta testing was done with obvious issues such as with the anti-tank class. EA should really take the advice of the complainers and experts seriously for future sales. Why was special forces given lower reviews? Becuase of the freakin bugs associated with the game. Even the expert reviewers took serious note.

        I love the battlefield series and always have. In fact it's my favorite hobby. I just am so overly frustrated with EA'S track history dating back to BFV. But the lack of proffesionalism on their part in designing a game and then leaving the public hanging is ridiculous. EA please get your SH&$#t straight and quit releasing patches prematurely. I dont care how long it takes to release a patch do some serious freakin beta testing before releasing garbage that screws the game up even worse.

        Now lets see how long it takes them to admit their mistakes and release a hotfix........... Monday and not even an acknowledgement on the problems and a solution being worked out. I'll even pay a small monthly fee if it means higher quality work on your part. ARGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

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        • imported_Panic.fo

          #5
          Re: BF2: Nice guys finish last.

          I think EA is trying hard to please the community and I commend them for that.. However they're somewhat lacking in their execution but better that than no support at all..

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          • ZemonerZ

            #6
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            imho the patch is great, I've been readin these forums since the game came out and I am amazed at how much people bitch. Blackhawk whoring, C4 chucking, bunny hoppers, dolphin divers....ok STFU already, just play the game and enjoy it, it's a really fun game, STOP BITCHING ABOUT IT, every patch that comes out, the guy who was previously saying oh the freaking c4 chuckers, boo hoo, the patch comes out, the subject changes, oh the freaking claymore whores, just shut up! If I worked for DICE or EA I'd lose my mind listening to all the whining, don't like it PLAY SOMETHING ELSE

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            • stilla-killa
              CantGetRight
              • Aug 2005
              • 5905

              #7
              Re: BF2: Nice guys finish last.

              thats the problem the community complains bout EA not putting patches out fast enough so therefore EA IMO rushes out the patches to appease the community. and when they do the community whines some more.

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              • MackTheKnifeAU

                #8
                Re: BF2: Nice guys finish last.

                Originally posted by ZemonerZ
                imho the patch is great, I've been readin these forums since the game came out and I am amazed at how much people bitch. Blackhawk whoring, C4 chucking, bunny hoppers, dolphin divers....ok STFU already, just play the game and enjoy it, it's a really fun game, STOP BITCHING ABOUT IT, every patch that comes out, the guy who was previously saying oh the freaking c4 chuckers, boo hoo, the patch comes out, the subject changes, oh the freaking claymore whores, just shut up! If I worked for DICE or EA I'd lose my mind listening to all the whining, don't like it PLAY SOMETHING ELSE
                Yes. Yes. Yes.

                It's amazing, the main complaints I've heard for the last 3 months (repeatedly, in multiple forums etc) have been:

                Overpowered Air\Underpowered anti-air
                C4 throwing
                Inaccurate weapons
                dolphin diving

                So... Dice make a patch, they fix the anti-air, stop dolphin diving, increase the accuracy of the weapons, and get rid of c4 throwing.

                Hours after the patch comes out, people are already complaining about the AA being overpowered, about the guns being too accurate, and then trying to 1984 insignificant bugs into "issues the community has wanted fixed since day one", but they have no massive effect on the gameplay.

                Another thing, people complaining about how mines and claymores cause stupid people to drive\walk over them and then punish. Every day or 2 I see a new thread about "ZOMG idiots drove a apc over an amine and punizhed me".

                It gets fixed.

                4 hours later people are whinging about how people are spamming claymores and mines.

                If I was a dice worker, I'd have shot myself in the head by now, they just can't please these whingers.

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                • dandy

                  #9
                  Re: BF2: Nice guys finish last.

                  Copy green days song Title :P bad

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                  • Mr. ADHD

                    #10
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                    Originally posted by rombaft
                    ...
                    Also , you are clearly not a player of the old games , I can tell you it was a disaster, there was cheating, cheating and cheating big time , also there was a chance you bought a game and wouldn't work on your PC and there you where, no support or very litle .
                    Precisely my point...they had once chance to get it right and often didn't. If understand you correctly, the complexity of the games of 80's has nothing to do with errors or support. Though the games seem simple by today's standard they were complex by their standard. My point was...they didn't have immediate feedback and QA was limited to the size of the company.

                    Btw...I've been gaming since Pong.


                    Mr. Gowcho

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                    • stormwolf

                      #11
                      Re: BF2: Nice guys finish last.

                      The red/blue bug is a desgrace. I'd put it as a candidate for the worst thenical issue not resolved in a released version of a software.

                      Not only that, but DICE also managed to address the bug and make it even worse on a new patch. Not addressing it would have even been better.
                      DICE have an amazing game design. That is no excuse for releasing their games with such a low quality. I am not talking about the game balance issues at all. I think their overall game balance is amazing, and if it wouldn't be so, people wouldn't play the game. True, there are and there will be game balance issues, but all and all, it's managable (not that it does not deserve addressing, but it's a different issue from QA problems).
                      DICE should have quite a few check points at which the release of their product should be on hold due to techincal issues (bugs).
                      Developers, then QA, then Marketing and finally EA (which is above DICE).
                      I can only hope they are working to improve their quality issues for their next games, cause I dig their BF series.

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                      • madass

                        #12
                        Re: BF2: Nice guys finish last.

                        I think with the amount of time EA spent on this patch and the fact that there are even more bugs than before gives people a right to bitch. The main point here is do some beta testing before releasing a patch. They had months to make this patch but yet the bugs are even worse than before. I've played many other games by other companies and not have had nearly the problems that I have with EA/Dice. If you dont notice the missing sounds, textures, several listed problems then I dont know what game your playing, but it surely isnt BF2.

                        I dont normally complain. In fact never have up until now. But the years of EA doing this has made me into a frustrated gamer who loves the battlefield series dispite the problems. Look at other games by other companies and tell me they have the negative track record that EA does with bAttlefield series.

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                        • Mr. ADHD

                          #13
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                          I agree. There's a lot of complaining going on. Most of it is unwarranted. Some of it is justified.

                          Nonetheless, I find it extremely interesting. Nevermind gaming industry, this is the first time in history where you can release a product to millions of people and get feedback almost instantaneously.

                          When an aspect you like is modified because of the masses and that modification creates other issues; it's frustrating for developper and consumer.

                          There were no secrets (okay not a lot), they were looking at raising the bar. They did on many levels, but failed on others.

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                          • PermenentMarker

                            #14
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                            Its not easy to patch a messed up engin and poor programming.

                            For this reason, battlefield will ALWAYS have so many bugs...

                            They screwed up by releasing it maybe 6 months too early ? or maybe even a year too early ?

                            They SERIOUSLY should have taken a whole lot more time because now that the coding is sooo poor and bugged out, any fix introduced will just introduce a new bug...

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                            • Kattspya

                              #15
                              Re: BF2: Nice guys finish last.

                              Originally posted by Stilla-Killa
                              thats the problem the community complains bout EA not putting patches out fast enough so therefore EA IMO rushes out the patches to appease the community. and when they do the community whines some more.
                              I disagree with this. It's true that the BF2-community and even more so this board are full of whiners. But trying to blame crappy coding and crappy QA on the community is just wrong. If the patch wasn't complete they shouldn't have released it. The community is made up of a large ammount of adolescents and DICE/EA should know better than to listen to whiners.

                              Only a small part of the player base will post on forums.

                              Negative opinions will be in the majority due to the fact that you're less likely to post if you're content.

                              Players often do not know what they want. (one shot kill sniper et al.)

                              DICE/EA should know this and act accordingly. If they don't they shouldn't develop games or perhaps think about outsourcing the forum watching

                              EDIT: goddamn english.

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