New Patch...concerns

**scott123** · 02-19-2006, 11:57 AM

Re: New Patch...concerns

Originally posted by tmcrazycanuck

kk..i have to jump in on this bew patch..

EA!!! ya kinda screwed up a bit...i agree some of the fixes are great here are a few concerns..
1) can't toss c4 (what did gravity all of a sudden get really strong) come on limit the distance but not the action
2) can't blow up at or claymores...( hmmm,wonder is these improvements are int he real world) just dumb in my opinion...if ya lay an at mine and someone blows it up...tooo bad..limit there life span before they self distruct..
3) fix the aa missiles...i love the fact there accurate..but the physics are wayyy beyond whats expected
4) sniper rifles...more accurate..ok..but to accurate is again not real...too fake..
5) can't get blown up by your own mines...???????? are ya blind didn't you see that red skull and cross bones on the ground...if ya hit a mine yours or not and ya die..well what did you expect..it was a mine for petes sake...
6) i agree with the axing the ability to bunny hop...but again...too far...limit the action...don't just grenade it.

BF2 is still an awesome game and i absolutely love it...but ea games came up with some pretty bad ideas in these "fixes". they took what was an exciting game to play and made it less exciting ..
no one disagrees that a few fixes had to be made..but jeezus guys....back up the train to the last station and take another look at things...my opinion..they should look at rolling back or dumbing down a bit some of the stuff they "fixed" and next time really listen to what the players wanted.
they didn't want there sniper rifles to be soo accurate you could shoot the ass off a fly at 500 metres..we just wanted the damn thing to work.
if a guy was c4 chucking..fine..limit the distance he could toss it

and if your a twit and run over a mine ...including your own cause ya didnt see them well..too bad

one last thing....DUMP THAT DAMN UAV IN THE AIR...IT WAS PART OF THE GAME NOT KNOWING IF YOU WERE BEING SCANNED OR NOT...

sorry peeps had to get it off my chest...

LOL :laugh:

The patch is fine....nice try

**LoganX** · 02-19-2006, 11:57 AM

Re: New Patch...concerns

1) C4 is not supposed to be tossed and detonated. You're supposed to plant it and detonate from a distance. The Toss/detonate was an unforeseen exploit of the game mechanics that the patch "tuned down" to an extent.

2) I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Possibly a language limitation but the sentence is confusing. As far as Claymores go...I've heard some people say they're not working right but I have had no problems.

3) Will people make up their minds!!?? I'm sure with the speed they needed to make the missiles travel at with the increased accuracy the rate that they turn at cannot be helped. Big Friggin deal. People asked for better AA and now that they have it you complain about how they turn.

4) Too accurate not real??? WTF does that mean? They're still not 1 shot kill weapons but at least now you can hit your target. Snipers are supposed to be an elite class of marksman. They were way underpowered before.

5) **sigh** I don't disagree that not enough people "Kept their eyes on the road" or didn't use the 3D map well enough, but the simple fact is that mines were not used enough because they caused TK's. They added a feature to reduce that and all people can do is complain about it.

6) They didn't limit the ability to bunny hop at all. You just can't fire while your in the air. "Defensive" Bunny Hopping is still possible.

DUMP THAT DAMN UAV IN THE AIR...IT WAS PART OF THE GAME NOT KNOWING IF YOU WERE BEING SCANNED OR NOT

I agree. It's a senseless feature.

**Release** · 02-19-2006, 12:13 PM

Re: New Patch...concerns

I love this patch. Lots of stationary snipers nice enough to sit perfectly still for me to shoot them, keeps the noob pilots out of the air which gives me more air time and the g3 pwns faces more now than ever before.

**KHAN** · 02-19-2006, 12:41 PM

Re: New Patch...concerns

^ Why is it that everyone who loves the new patch are the ones with 2mins in air defences b4 patch and were the ones that kept spawning at the same place shooting at the helos with they're ak's?

Everyone who had played this game for a while wanted some changes, but the changes that were made were far far to extreme. No-one asked for the pkm to be 500% more accurate or to make airpower obsolete.

At the end of the day the people that post are the ones with the problems with coping. look at the tech support forum, does it tell you that 95% of the people's computers are running the game fine? no, it tells you that 5% want it reprogrammed.

EA's problem is lack of communication across the whole range of players.

**ledbythereaper** · 02-19-2006, 12:47 PM

Re: New Patch...concerns

The non TK on mines is a good thing, it stops smacktards running around the map looking for friendly mines just to get people banned

**jdrou** · 02-19-2006, 01:35 PM

Re: New Patch...concerns

Originally posted by ledbythereaper

The non TK on mines is a good thing, it stops smacktards running around the map looking for friendly mines just to get people banned

It's better than no change at all but not the best way to fix it. Probably the easiest though.

**imported_RpTheHotrod** · 02-19-2006, 01:51 PM

Re: New Patch...concerns

I love the patch. However, I truly think that explosives should still FF...but should not be punishable. However, your score should still be affected...seeing how many people would exploit it by griefing otherwise.

**Lugal317** · 02-19-2006, 01:54 PM

Re: New Patch...concerns

Originally posted by KHAN

^ Why is it that everyone who loves the new patch are the ones with 2mins in air defences b4 patch and were the ones that kept spawning at the same place shooting at the helos with they're ak's?

Everyone who had played this game for a while wanted some changes, but the changes that were made were far far to extreme. No-one asked for the pkm to be 500% more accurate or to make airpower obsolete.

At the end of the day the people that post are the ones with the problems with coping. look at the tech support forum, does it tell you that 95% of the people's computers are running the game fine? no, it tells you that 5% want it reprogrammed.

EA's problem is lack of communication across the whole range of players.

haha sooo true.

**Cap`N Hagen** · 02-19-2006, 02:01 PM

Re: New Patch...concerns

If the game had been truly completed before release, we wouldnt be having these discussions.

**Indecisi0n** · 02-19-2006, 02:21 PM

Re: New Patch...concerns

Can i chime in ? I haven't played in a long time(because on school) but last night i downloaded the patch and fired up BF2 for about 4 hrs straight.

You can't be killed by your own teams mines ? This is kind of stupid. I know it will slow down tk'in but now i can see teams just throwing mines all over the place and not even having to think twice about where they place them. I kind of liked having to look out for the mines (even from my team) which adds little more needed skill to the game.

I love how you cannot shot and fire.

I am a always spec ops and i love my c4. I am a little down that i can no longer throw my c4 at tanks but i can understand why that was changed. Now its a lot harder to kill tanks but again adds more needed skill to using the c4.

**Revoluti0n** · 02-19-2006, 02:32 PM

Re: New Patch...concerns

Originally posted by KHAN

^ Why is it that everyone who loves the new patch are the ones with 2mins in air defences b4 patch and were the ones that kept spawning at the same place shooting at the helos with they're ak's?

Everyone who had played this game for a while wanted some changes, but the changes that were made were far far to extreme. No-one asked for the pkm to be 500% more accurate or to make airpower obsolete.

At the end of the day the people that post are the ones with the problems with coping. look at the tech support forum, does it tell you that 95% of the people's computers are running the game fine? no, it tells you that 5% want it reprogrammed.

EA's problem is lack of communication across the whole range of players.

I could not agree more, it seems that when the changes were made they were based on teh changes of 1 specific person and not what the community wanted for the game.

Originally posted by ledbythereaper

The non TK on mines is a good thing, it stops smacktards running around the map looking for friendly mines just to get people banned

No it really is not. Actually it tells the community as a whole, "it is ok to be an ignorant schmuck" becuase you dont die anyway. This game was clearly not for everyone. People were expecting CS with the sniper rifles and Desert Combat with the vehicles and both were let down, so EA tweaked and made it more noob friendly.
WHat else would you call it if you set a claymore, or landmine and the FF is off and you cannot even clear an area with a nade? I hardly doubt the more eperienced gamers are the ones that were saying "Gosh darn i t all to heck, you should not be able to destroy an explosive with say....AN EXPLOSIVE!!!! That would not be real and life like...." This game has gone from one with a lot of potential to a console version.

**whoster69** · 02-19-2006, 02:51 PM

Re: New Patch...concerns

I love the new patch. So many lazy exploiters getting killed right and left now. Fantastic!!!

**jdrou** · 02-19-2006, 03:01 PM

Re: New Patch...concerns

Originally posted by RpTheHotrod

However, I truly think that explosives should still FF...but should not be punishable. However, your score should still be affected...seeing how many people would exploit it by griefing otherwise.

The correct way to fix it, as several people including myself have posted before, would be to allow it to FF but score it as a suicide for the vehicle driver instead of a TK unless the mine has only been dropped in the last few seconds (to prevent griefers from throwing mines in front of friendly vehicles). Probably tricky to program but it would be "the right thing". A bonus would be to make the icon for mines clearly different from the one for C4.

**Ryknow** · 02-19-2006, 03:03 PM

Re: New Patch...concerns

Well, i dont really understand ppl who complain about non being killed by friendly mines/claymores. Ok, it's true that it is not realistic but It has been done because of the tons of morons who walk over them (dunno if they are blind or just wanna disturb people). I can say that before the last patch I had killed almost as many teamates with my mines than enemies. Even when I dont bloq the ways out and some of them see me placing the mines they pick up a tank and drive over my mines. Do you think it is fair to me and others who just try to defend a flag?? I admit that it's unrealistic but I dont think it was fair to receive -4 points and a punish just because others cannot see where they are driving through.

Another thing i dont like much about the new patch is that Choppers now can be destroyed so easily. EA just reduced their armor but I think they should have adjusted it depending on what they are being hit by (1 tank round is OK to destroy a Chopper, but I think humvees do too much damage). Moreover stingers are now so accurate (like they should be) but IMOH their reloading time should had been increased and the number of them per map reduced too. I say this because in some maps if you fly a chopper and a AA locks on you, you are dead because although you throw flares another AA will probably take you down, so there is no scape from them and as a result reduces the gameplay a lot.

New Patch...concerns

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