Insane, BH make be nerfd

[Terroser]

Yes BH may be nefrd because it's freaking stupid if I laying as a support guy
on the beach, on gulf of oman

and because my boat was taking down by the BH

So I turn my support gun to the operator of the BH minigun.
and the BH was hovering 15 meters away from me.

eh shoots me 7/8 seconds long or longer
and I still lose only 1/4 of my healt

and also I won it from the operator of the minigun :laugh:

:evil: :evil:


I want to be dead if a BH shooting me from that close.

also give the spec-ops more power to trow the c4 packets father away, like 6 meters, so I could stand in ally and still put some c4 on the middle of the road

and you can't not abuse it because you can not throw c4 anymore while jumping, also to take a detonater take longer time.


Sorry for my bad english, folks

[Bizzare inc.]

Re: Insane, BH make be nerfd

Hello, where are you from?:)

Yes i agree they should make the mini guns more powerful then 1.2 but less powerful then 1.12 if that makes sense

The c4 i don't really use but it's annoying when i'm on a roof & can't throw it on the enemy below, but it was annoying too see all those c4 jumpers.

[xpnl]

Re: Insane, BH make be nerfd

Its perfect the way it is I think.
Now its a matter of skill/aim to use the gun instead of
random shoot and kill.
Finnaly Mashtuur can be played like it use to...
Infantry+vehicles/armor and a chopper that transport peeps.
Chopper fly high otherwise vodniks will take you out in a sec. :)

[Terroser]

Re: Insane, BH make be nerfd

Its perfect the way it is I think.
Now its a matter of skill/aim to use the gun instead of
random shoot and kill.
Finnaly Mashtuur can be played like it use to...
Infantry+vehicles/armor and a chopper that transport peeps.
Chopper fly high otherwise vodniks will take you out in a sec. :)

? Wtf.

are you a...(*&(*& ?

He shooted me from 15 meters with a minigun for 8 seconds long.
also I was laying stil

and still won.
that is freaking stupid.

@Bizzare inc. I am from the dutch (Netherlands), why do you ask?
:p

[wolfi]

Re: Insane, BH make be nerfd

He shooted me from 15 meters with a minigun for 8 seconds long.
also I was laying stil

Bad aiming i guess... :p

[Terroser]

Re: Insane, BH make be nerfd

Bad aiming i guess... :p

I think not, because I know him.
playing on a regular server so.

I know some faces(nicknames and there playstyle)

and also he complaind on dutch community forums :laugh:
but still the mec chopper is even better then the BH

[big_sammy_b]

Re: Insane, BH make be nerfd

yeah i have to say the BW has got silly now, you can hardly hit ANYTHING with the gun on it now.

Rather than make the blackhawk weaker why on earth didn't they just make the flying cow stronger?

Now instead of a inbalance we just have 2 useless transport choppers one on both sides.

[Talus]

Re: Insane, BH make be nerfd

USE THEM FOR TRANSPORT!

Don't hover with the BH...take your troops in, drop them off or have them HALO, then get out!

Use the mini-guns if you have to...but people used to RELY on the mini-guns before.

Basically...the BH is just like the flying cow now. Perfect.

[Teaves]

Re: Insane, BH make be nerfd

USE THEM FOR TRANSPORT!

Don't hover with the BH...take your troops in, drop them off or have them HALO, then get out!

Use the mini-guns if you have to...but people used to RELY on the mini-guns before.

Basically...the BH is just like the flying cow now. Perfect.

100,000% agree, the TRANSPORT chopper (well the BH) have never been used for there intended purpose ever! and finally they are being used for troop transporting instead of easy kill point machines for the same 6 people all freakin match. I have never seen so many parachute out of a BH in the 8 months the game has been out and i am loving it now

The miniguns are for self defense and cover fire, not for an offensive spray-and-dont-even-have-to-pray guns. When you practice a bit with them now they are still almost as powerful but you actually need to AIM THEM now, not just point them in the general direction of the enemy and rack up dozens of cheap kills.

The best way to use them now i find is to use 1 or 2 second bursts, instead of full auto and they DONT kill troops on the other side of walls now as before so if the enemy has cover dont try to hard and shoot at something else. The bullet spread means shooting humvess and jeeps is virtually the same, its the troops that are harder to hit..... and the game is 0 times better because of it.... Mashturr is one of the best maps now i think, and not just an easy way to get 150 points for one clan

[Terroser]

Re: Insane, BH make be nerfd

100,000% agree, the TRANSPORT chopper (well the BH) have never been used for there intended purpose ever! and finally they are being used for troop transporting instead of easy kill point machines for the same 6 people all freakin match. I have never seen so many parachute out of a BH in the 8 months the game has been out and i am loving it now

The miniguns are for self defense and cover fire, not for an offensive spray-and-dont-even-have-to-pray guns. When you practice a bit with them now they are still almost as powerful but you actually need to AIM THEM now, not just point them in the general direction of the enemy and rack up dozens of cheap kills.

The best way to use them now i find is to use 1 or 2 second bursts, instead of full auto and they DONT kill troops on the other side of walls now as before so if the enemy has cover dont try to hard and shoot at something else. The bullet spread means shooting humvess and jeeps is virtually the same, its the troops that are harder to hit..... and the game is 0 times better because of it.... Mashturr is one of the best maps now i think, and not just an easy way to get 150 points for one clan

You don't get the point.

he was 15 meters away and shooting me 8 seconds long.
while I was laying still , and just lost only 1/4 of my healt.

I just most take 3,5 seconds maxium to take a guy out.(that is balanced) by close range.
by long range it must spread more so.
that would give a better balance.

[Teaves]

Re: Insane, BH make be nerfd

i read it and undersatnd what you are TRYINg to say but its not correct, the ONLY explanation for that is either: 1) he is a bad shot or 2) he was lagging or had packet loss

I have killed many people from longer range then that and much quicker since the patch and so have many other people. The problem is that some people try and shoot it like they did before when you could fire metres away and still kill them.

Go into a single player game right now and play "operation clean sweep" then fly to the main island and land at the second flag, on the tin roof of the jeep building (first flag has stingers which will shoot you down) Now change to the miniguns and shoot at the enemys that are there, you will see you can still kill each one in under a second and often quicker if you actually aim, and not spray.

The MEC chopper guns are half the power and you can still kill people with them in under eight seconds from 15 metres away

[Krring]

Re: Insane, BH make be nerfd

I have to put this in here too...

It's really funny to see guys who haven't propably even seen a real gun in their life.

1st of all: AA missiles are dead accurate things. When it comes to machine guns, 50 12.7 mm bullets will do some serious harm to a Blackhawk, believe or not. When you are shooting with machineguns, you actually have to aim. Machineguns are damn effective things, but only if you can hit with them. Bullets can of course shatter to fragments or bounce, but I seriously doubt that guy about 5 m away of landing M134 burst would be in serious danger, until shooter starts aiming seriously.

It's irrational to complain about realism in this game. You had unlimited explosive rounds in your miniguns for gods sake! At the same time opponent choppers were good only for getting yourself killed by plane. Realism is that you have to aim with miniguns also. I'd like better tracers though, as its the only way to aim with this kind of weapon. They should take crosshair off and just make effective tracers for miniguns.

Even after 1.2 patch I have seen deadly plane and chopper pilots. In Dragon valley we tried a bit of an whoring with stolen enemy Blackhawk. I flew and my friends were shooting, no engineers or such. We managed to get quite a few points just for hovering here and there and guys shot as much as they could. It's a matter of shooter and pilot co-operation clearly.

If you look for reality, I recommend "project realism" or what was it. I found it really interesting, but haven't been able to get to know it better yet. There's loads of things in normal BF2 that aren't realistic. It's not about realism, but having fun and having at least some way evenly balanced forces.

BH is a transport, not an attack vehicle. Miniguns are for support and keeping the chopper safe, not for engaging every random target as a possible enemy.

And for the guy whose friend is a really bad aimer: Shooting 15 meters away and missing happened because there's someone who doesn't know what to do with that crosshair. You can toast a boat in 2-3 seconds if you manage to hit. You can toast 1 infantryman in freaking half a second. It's not patches fault but your friends. I recommend corrective lenses.

[Talus]

Re: Insane, BH make be nerfd

Exactly..I have been nailed by the BH miniguns post v1.2 and I was dead in a millisecond. On top of that...I was jumping off of a roof at the time (i.e. moving target).