BH use... which way is better?

[chavr]

So I'm playing on mashtuur tonite and I happen to spawn first on our team and hop in the BH. I'm a fairly decent pilot so I wasn't worried about crashing or anything silly. I get a full load of passengers and head to the enemy main base to cap it first. We get there and no one hops out. Not one. I figure they are afraid I'll leave em since I pulled up high to let em jump in. I hover down and land and they still won't jump out. There are no enemies around atm and I can't figure out what is going on. Eventually some bad guys did spawn and I had to leave cause one was AT. I flew over to the power plant and once again... no one gets out. This time an enemy manages to C4 us and that was the end of that.

The whole time there is a guy telling me I should just orbit with it and let the gunners kill. To me that doesn't make sense because you got a bonus with the flags and the hawk is so fast you can keep taking all their flags and hem em in without a helo or armor. The next round they tried to use the hawk as a gunship and it didn't work that time either.


So my question is... which is the better approach?

1. Cap flags with the hawk with the ability to gun as you move around

2. Use it strictly as a gunship

[Splinter]

Re: BH use... which way is better?

It just shows that ppl are more interested in getting points than using it to cap flags. As for the best way to use it IMO try to combine both the gunship and the fast flag capping ability's. Have the Squad Leader piloting as a medic and 1 squad member gunning as an engy.
While the SL does passes for the gunner to take out as many enemy troops as possible have the rest of the squad para-jump down to take the flag. I was luckly enough to be in a squad doing this last week and we OWNED!!! about 4 or 5 maps, the whole squad top scoring each game.

[Azriel]

Re: BH use... which way is better?

Well it is supposed to be a transport, but a lot of people seem to like to spawn camp in it. It sounds like the gunners you had were more interested in racking up kills then getting and holding flags.

Since only the commander get a bonus for winning a round, most people care little if their team wins or not, as long as they personally get a lot of points from killing.

That was part of the problem with the BH whoring though, runnning around capping flag and abondoning them, playing flag tag for the points but never defending them.

No one uses any of the weapons/tools in this game as they were intended, so why should the BH be any differant.

C4 is the anti-tank, anti-tank is the 'splash sniper rifle', GL's are main weapons, rifles are a last resort when you're out of nades, etc.

[Wheelcipher]

Re: BH use... which way is better?

The mission all depends on who gets in ... usually 20 guys are running for the choppper and have no business on there (i.e. Snipers, AT guys, etc...)

You should have 2 engineers in the back to fix the chopper and to distribute mines. You should have a support guy in back to provide more mines to those engineers and to drop ammo to the troops on the ground.

The pilot should be a medic so he can fix anyone wounded on the chopper.

The two gunners should be either medic or supply as backups in case something happens to the others. With this in mind, you are a well functioning team.

If you get a lot of guys on the bird who have no business there, or don't know what teamwork is about... you can just use the chopper for troop transport or suppression until someone with an AT rocket takes you out. Then it all starts over.

Teamwork and understanding of individual roles is crucual, and the best way to rack up 80-120 point rounds in the Blackhawk.
Just my opinion. You can see more of this at www.bf2blog.net

[Digital-Boy]

Re: BH use... which way is better?

Or alternatively, figure out where your teammates are, then wipe out the enemies with the blackhawk and have your teammates cap the flag. Nothing like a coordinated assault to knock your opponent flat on his back.

Oh, and even if your teammates wanted to use it as a gunship, they were still stupid for not getting out when you landed it. You cap the flag faster, and you won't get C4'ed. :p

[Sir. Shpox]

Re: BH use... which way is better?

Basically this is the best and worst way to blackhawk whore.

Have a squad of 5/6. Get them all to be engineers or if you want. 1 support guy, you be a medic. Go around raping airfields, flags, works well on Wake Island, and the reason I said 5/6, when your going around a flag and get a lock with AA or something, make sure you swap seats so that theres temporrily no pilot, therefor making AA useless.

I hate it when this is being done to me, but I love piloting for those poor people hence the best and worst technique.

Check I think #7 in the world i think - {ARK}DJJeffro - He taught me this technique and has a majority of kills because of this.

[rombaft]

Re: BH use... which way is better?

combination of both, mostly use it as a gunship , very good to give support to groundtroops trying to take a flag

[imported_Svartberg]

Re: BH use... which way is better?

Medic as pilot is important, probably opt for supply/medic on guns, and the rest should be a mix of engineers/AT/specops.
AT adds nice touch against vodniks with machineguns, especially when the vulcan gunners can't reach them.
Specop acts as mini bomber (lol) and i could take a few people with the main gun too

[Eden]

Re: BH use... which way is better?

Fill the BH up with people and soe decent gunners (I could tell you some storys about stupid gunners) then tell your guys to bail out at flags with your gunners protecting the Bh and the guys on th ground.

[imported_Svartberg]

Re: BH use... which way is better?

I also wouldn't advice using it to cap flags, when a BH goes to capping height i find it pretty easy to hit with the GL/AT/Tank/Jeep (if i don't die of course).

On mashtuur, if you want to win the game, use it to frag only, BF2 ticket system relays more on frags than flag caps. (though there is the white cap ont he start of the round of course)

On other maps like wake, your pessangers would prefere parachutting a bit far behind the flag, bailing near the flag is suicidal and most pessangers know it.

[ts-King]

Re: BH use... which way is better?

I hate pilots that try to capture in the black hawk. They almost always get shot down.

With those guns, they should be constantly attacking.. hell.. the BH is easier to kill with than a tank.

[Sir. Shpox]

Re: BH use... which way is better?

Should also add both, it really depends, on wake Island you want to get some flags for your team, drop em off, pick em up, head for that airfield so rival jets stop ramming into you and such and leave the enemy cornered. Then the whoring begins !

[WarGimp]

Re: BH use... which way is better?

Hehe

Great post.

Stategicly, both tactics are viable.

Orbiting a hot zone and supressing the enemy (or "Point whoring" as it's most commonly knows) can attain victory through sear destructive force. If those squads you're tearing up aren't well organized and/or don't have medic support, you're going to cause a LOT of ticket loss.

Flag capping works too. You can put pressure on and get to CPs faster than any other unit. If you ground a 'Hawk and deploy a full load, you can take a flag in seconds. Mount back up and go jump another. This wins you games through bleed.

I prefer to use both tactics, but the real key is having a good airborn squad. Ideally, I'll be medic (as SL and pilot), I want a support guy on a gun (to resuply the squad), an engie in the other (as a gunner/back up repair). A second engie in the back as primary repair guy.

This is what I consiter a Blackhawk Crew.

The remaining slots are your assault force. They should be ready to jump out at a moment's notice and should always be the first ones out during caps. If the chopper comes under heavy fire, they should jump out fast since they need to make room for the secondary repair guy to switch position.

If you can get that sqaud together, it's an amazing thing. The things you can pull off are fantasic fun to do. Everyone scores good points too.

[Loud Howard]

Re: BH use... which way is better?

nice tips shpox

[Talus]

Re: BH use... which way is better?

Please..don't just wh0re the BH and use it as a gunship.

Sure, you can circle a flag first to take out defenses or cover the area while another squad caps. If idiots keep spawning so that you repeatedly mow them down, it's their fault. Everybody knows that if a BH is circling your flag, it's toast unless you have good teamwork (ATs, Vodniks).

However...if you STEAL the USMC's BH and you are MEC...go nuts I say: feed it back to 'em.