The sniper rifle that should have been in SF...

[Uncleadolph]

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Lol, they look so plasticy and fake lol. Probably scaled up pictures of action man guns.

-Ben

[pYura]

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The sniper rifle that should have been in the game is the hungarian GEPARD. It can shoot throug a BTR.... argh APC I mean. Yea, and it weights cca 18kgs xD...

http://www.geocities.com/landofsnipers/Assets/Weapons/gepemb.jpg

[stumpy]

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Personally I would have just liked a silenced sniper rifle in SF, I think that would have added a nice aspect to the nerfed up sniper class.

[Uncleadolph]

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The sniper rifle that should have been in the game is the hungarian GEPARD. It can shoot throug a BTR.... argh APC I mean. Yea, and it weights cca 18kgs xD...

http://www.geocities.com/landofsnipe...ons/gepemb.jpg

I think that would be about the right size to replace the sniper's pistol.

^ That's the problem with the m95 because once you kill a dude in a chopper you've given away your location. But it's good when an enemy has taken over your base and your the last remaining. You find a good hiding place and keep killing them as you spawn. My kill run always seems to end by being teamkilled by arty. They realise i'm capturing the base but they still fire away.

-Ben

[Tactical_Marksman]

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I have no personal experience with the Windrunner, but have heard great things about it from the precision rifle community.

I do, however, own the Shooter Ready software and highly recommend it. It includes classroom sessions on everthing from basic mil-dot ranging to how to dope a shot against a moving target. This software, along with "Ultimate Sniper : An Advanced Training Manual For Military And Police Snipers" by John Plaster are the two fundamental training tools I'd recommend to anyone interested in long-range precision shooting... other than lots and lots of range time.

I agree that a suppressed rifle should have been included in SF. As most of the new maps are urban, it seems practical and tactical. Perhaps the British could have gotten their Accuracy International's with suppressors?

[Eddy01741]

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The VSS Vintorez fires 9x39mm subsonic loads...

Oh, sorry, my fault. ANyways, a .50 cal round wouldn't cause unneccessary suffereing if a person was hit in the chest or head. THe fact is, a 50 cal bullet will cause less suffering unless it hits a limb cause it's almost automatically a 1 hit kill in real life. A 50 cal round is said to have an exit wound of a basketball, seriously, when engaging a target in a tower, the sniper shot the torso of an armed guard and his whole upperbody fell off. THat's not unneccesary suffering, that's more like instant death, if that were to happen to u, u would die and not feel any pain as u would be dead in less than a second lol.

[[X1X]-=+XoX1de+=-]

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I like both NTW 20 or the IWS 2000, NTW shoots APC round which is 20MM API and IWS shots their own manufacturing 5000 FPS fastest bullet in the world.

[ABD_Bangbus]

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AHHHHHHH!

PLEASE don't speak unless you know what you're talking about.

First off, yes, the current long-range kill record belongs to PPCLI snipers (Canadians) in Afghanistan at a range of 2,430 meters.

M-14 just an M-16 in "crappy" 7.62 Nato? Are you high?

"Look gay and not accurate?" They're sub-MOA semi-automatics....

WA-2000? Only 72 of these rifles were ever made.

Tango 51? It's basically an M24 (accurized Remington 700 platform).

I'm so frustrated I just don't know what to say...

I understand your frustration, but the sheer amount of ignorance in this thread is irreparable.

[Hephaistion]

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Uh...shows how much you know. LOL

It is NOT urban myth. It would have taken you only a few minutes of searching the information and you would found proof enough. The use of the .50 caliber as a weapon used against human targets was and has been challenged several times. In 1999 the ICRC (The Swiss) attempted yet again after being successful with laws against laser blinding weapons and anti-personnel mines, to out law the .50 caliber as a weapon against human targets. In particular they were focused on the Raufoss round. In January 2000, U.S. legal review reconfirmed legality of Raufoss .50 cal. Multipurpose round for anti-materiel and anti-personnel purposes. This is where the confusion comes from. In particular what was used as the course for this objection to .50's being used against humans was:

1907 Hague IV (Article 23e, Annex) prohibition on unnecessary suffering.

As someone noted earlier, the damage from a .50 can be defined as causing the exact above statement. While it is not a "LAW" persay, it is the morality issues that come with it. THAT is why according to US military legal departments it is deployed carefully. Has it been used against human targets? Yup...does not mean it hasn't been challenged.

To boot, I ought to be in the know.

Marine Corps 90-96. We were the first Marine's Issued Barrett .50 sniper rifles to use in the sandbox. They are lawful weapons, although rules of engagement (policy and tactics) may limit their use.




Um...the Tango 51 is a bit better then a M24. They are guaranteed to shoot .25 MOA. M24's are tuned to shoot 1 MOA. That translates to some serious difference on point of impact. :p Tactical Operations makes some of the DAMN best rifles out there and the care show in building their rifles.

I was in the Corps from 90-96 who were you with? I was Aco 1/8 Wpns Plt. Mortar Section

[DKH]

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A sniper rifle that should have been on the game?



The OSV-96 Anti-Material Sniper Rifle, Made in Russia.

"Yeah, it'll definately blow the crap out of something."

[Deadpoetic]

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I would love to see a sniper version of the M1A SOCOM 2 carbine

http://www.defensereview.com/1_31_2004/Springfield Armory SOCOM II Camo_3.jpg

http://www.defensereview.com/1_31_2004/Springfield Armory SOCOM II Camo_2.jpg

[Hephaistion]

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I would love to see a sniper version of the M1A SOCOM 2 carbine

http://www.defensereview.com/1_31_2004/Springfield Armory SOCOM II Camo_3.jpg

http://www.defensereview.com/1_31_20... II Camo_2.jpg

The SOCOM 16 is NOT A SNIPER RIFLE! It has a short barrel. If you shorten the length of the barrel, you lose rifling, if you lose rifling you lose accuracy. The longer the barrel, the more lands & grooves your barrel will have. That means more bullet rotation, less deviation and wobble as the bullet leaves the barrel. Having a SOCOM16 as a hard-hitting carbine (carbine = short rifle) yes, hitting a target at 1000yds with a 16" barrel? no.

[Hephaistion]

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Here is the bomb sniper rifle.

http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn46-e.htm

The development of this interesting weapon began in mid-1980s, when Austrian company Steyr-Mannlicher AG decided to develop a long-range anti-materiel rifle (AMR) - a modern equivalent of the WW2-era antitank rifles. Main targets for AMR are light armoured vehicles, helicopters, installations such as radar cabins, missile launchers, fuel tanks etc. To achieve desired effective range of at least 1000 meters, Steyr engineers first decided to use APDS (armour piercing, discarding sabot), or sub-caliber, ammunition. Development started from 12.7mm cartridges, and later Steyr developed a 14.5mm APFSDS (Arnour percing, fin stabilised, discarding sabot) ammunition in 14.5mm caliber and built few prototypes with smooth bores and semi-automatic actions, called Steyr AMR 5075. Further development led to even bigger caliber of 15.2mm fith same ultra-high velocity APFSDS projectiles. This system is called Steyr IWS 2000 (Infantry Weapon System 2000) and currently is probably in Adsvanced Development status or ready for adoption.

IWS 2000 is wery formidable weapon. It fires 20 gramm (308 grains) tungsten dart (fleschette) with muzzle velocity of 1450 meters per second (4750 fps). At 1000 meters this projectile will penetrate a 40 mm of RHA (rollded homogenous steel armour) and will result in serious secondary fragmentation effect behind the armour. That said, it will penetrate two walls of any modern APC at one kilometer range. The trajectory is very flat and does not rise higher than 800 mm above the line of sight when fired to 1000 meters. The cartridge is of somewhat original design, and has plastic case with steel head and base. The projectile is concealed within a plastic sabot.

The rifle itself also is very interesting. Firs, it uses rare long-recoil system, when barrel recoils along with the bolt for significant lenght. At the end of the recoil, bolt unlocks from the barrel by rotating and held back, and barrel returns into forward position, ejecting a spent case. Bolt stays at the rearmost position while barrel moves, and then also moves forward, chambering a new round from the side-mounted magazine and finally locking rigidly to the barrel. This design allows for better recoil disttibution over a longer period of time. Huge muzzle brake also contributes to recoil control, so felt recoil of the IWS 2000 is descibed as a similar to the large-caliber sporting rifle. Five round detachable box magazine is located at the right side of the receiver and inclined down for about 45 degrees. The smooth-bore barrel can be easily detached, so rifle can be carried disassembled into two man-portable packs. Plastics are used where possible to reduce the weight of the gun. IWS 2000 is equipped with bipod and a rear leg under the buttstock. It is also equipped with 10X telescope as a standard.

This is probably the most powerful modern anti-materiel rifle, and while it is not a true "sniper" rifle, it is well worth mentioning. The future of this design is also unclear, sice it requires ammunition of a brand new type.

[Hephaistion]

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or:
Mechem NTW-20 (South Africa)


This rifle was designed in the early to mid 1990s by South African arms designer Tony Neophytou, who also took its part in designing the Neostead combat shotgun. Initial development was under the Aerotek name, and later the Mechem division of the DENEL Group, a major South African arms manufacturer, purchased all rights for this design. In the 1998 South African National Defense Forces adopted this weapon and began to purchase it in some numbers. It is also offered for export sales. The NTW-20 is a long range anti-materiel rifle, developed to reach out across wide plains of South African landscape and to deliver substantial firepower in a relatively compact, two men portable package. It is available in two versions, 20mm and 14.5mm, and could be easily converted from one variant to another by simple replacement of the barrel, bolt, magazine and scope, which will take about 1 minute in the field conditions. These two versions had slightly different applications: 20mm version, built around WW2-era German MG-151 aircraft gun round, can deliver high explosive, fragmentation or incendiary shells with good accuracy, so a relatively "soft" targets could be disabled by the blast and / or fragments. When the long range and armor penetration is an issue, the 14.5mm version comes into the play. It is built around another WW2-era round, Soviet 14.5mm high velocity, armor-piercing cartridge, developed for PTRD and PTRS anti-tank rifles and still widely used in Russian KPV / KPVT heavy machine guns on armored cars and in anti-aircraft mounts. While probably not so accurate as the specially developed .50BMG (12.7x99mm) rifles, mostly due to unavailability of the "match grade" ammunition in the 14.5mm and 20mm, NTW-20 offers significantly more terminal effectiveness than any .50BMG rifle / round combination. 20 mm version could be most effective against targets like parked aircrafts and helicopters, command and communications equipment, radar cabins, fuel dumps, unarmored cars. 14.5 mm version will be more effective against armored personnel carriers or relatively large "soft" targets at extended ranges. Anti-personnel work is by no means a primary task for this huge rifle.

NTW-20 is a manually operated, rotating bolt action rifle. The barrel is locked by the rotating bolt that has 6 lugs. The barrel along with the receiver could recoil inside the chassis frame against combined hydraulic and pneumatic damping system. Large two-chamber muzzle brake also helps to keep recoil at the acceptable level. NTW-20 is fed from the detachable box magazine, that is inserted from the left side and holds 3 rounds. The rifle could be disassembled and carried in two man-portable packs, each weighting about 12 - 15 kg. One pack carries the frame, stock, butt and bipod while the other carries the barrel, sighting equipment
and magazines. NTW-20 is equipped with a 8X magnification, long eye relief telescopic sight on the quick detachable mount. No open sight are fitted by default. The folding bipod is mounted under the receiver, and a non-folding frame above the receiver serves as a carrying handle and a scope protection bracket.

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[Hephaistion]

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Look at this monster:
RT-20 Antimateriel Sniper Rifle (Croatia)
It fires the 20x110mm Hispano round that features a 130 gram (2000 grains) projectile at muzzle velocities about 850 meters per second (that is 2788.714fps!) WHAT A MONSTER!

comparison of normal BMG .50 (Browning Machine Gun 20X 99) vs. 20x110mm Hispano!