Optimizing Shaders.......zzzZZZZzz & more

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  • cadaverous

    #1

    Optimizing Shaders.......zzzZZZZzz & more

    I hate to say it, but this is pretty much vietnam all over again isn't it?

    Once you get over how great it is to have new maps/weapons/countries you realise how unoptimised, slow and sluggish this game has now become thanks to the touch of the DICE canadian development team.

    BF2 release from day one has been sub-par in terms of everything but the core gameplay (which is fantastic.) But it was acceptable. The UI and server browser were ugly and of low quality, but I guess they worked. They sped up the browser eventually. (It's still a U.I. minefield though.) Nothing show stopping. It felt like a turd until you shoveled quickly though to get at the golden innards! but i guess it all worked, couldn't complain.

    This new "Special forces layer" of unoptimised additions surfaces horrible memories of Vietnam brining my system to it's knees for no reason. No reason except unfinished, rushed, sloppy, unoptimised coding

    Anyway...what gives...

    Optimizing shaders takes LITERALLY 10-15 minutes on my machine (p4 3.4, 6800gt, 2GB) Is it because I get bored and alt tab? Even when i didn't it seemed to be hella long. Im getting kicked often for idleness, or I'm actually getting the game loaded and the map has switched already because it took so long...time to optimise those shaders again...JOY!

    My FPS were WAY down. Initially this was because the XPack didn't carry over my graphics settings from the full game. Sweet, so all this optimising shaders is going to have to be done all over again?

    So i set the graphics back down (and in some cases...UP....to 1600x1200 res) it's looking much better, running better...but damn, it's still a BIG FPS DROP from BF2.
    I would guess it's a 30% drop overall, maybe not quite that much.

    So there's 2 BF2.EXE's now, huh? And after I closed the game...one remains....eating CPU...but not really "existing" :-(

    The whole "crossover aspect" of allowing SF items in regular battlefield seems like PURELY an EA ploy (encourage people to buy our new game!). I liked the idea at first, integration, keeping the communities together, until i looked into why no servers are offering both BF2 and SF maps. What the hell?!?!

    So i fork out for more map variety and the SF servers don't run regular maps? Does this feel tacked on much?!?!? I can understand not allowing regular BF2 players in SF servers, but to deny SF players the original maps?!

    Now we know copying the maps across folders on BOTH Client AND server works, but why haven't DICE fixed this for us? (not that you should have to keep 2 copies of HUGE maps on your machine just to get around an illogical decision.) Maybe i'm missing something here? Please correct me if i've got this information wrong ..

    Basically if there are 3 regular maps, and 3 SF maps you enjoy, TOUGH LUCK, get ready to alternate between effectively 2 DIFFERENT GAMES, including shuffling DVD's, quitting out and reloading, hell, lets optimise the shaders while we are at it for some more fun :-)

    It seems like the worst of both worlds. It's still goign to fracture the community, and you are annoying the XPACK buyers.

    And this reminds me, this is an online game, why oh why do we need the CD/DVD in the drive to play? This is beyond my understanding, and incredibly annoying.

    Now that's not a huge list of problems, becuase to be fair, the gameplay seems very close to BF2....this is a good thing....more DICE Sweden...less DICE Canada... new maps, without screwing with what we really enjoy.

    Im generally pretty happy with the BF2 gameplay. I defo wouldn't call it buggy. I just wish they would separate CHAT from DEFAULT MESSAGES, that REALLY bugs me, there is no camaraderie among friends in this game because "chat" is almost non-existant. Also, when the round ends...where's the oppertunity to chat a little?! I dont want to watch broken props falling out of the sky in silly ways, i want to give out abuse, or say "GG." :)

    The game should have had auto-patching too, I dont want to get into this tho, anyway.....

    WAKE UP EA, LOOK AT VALVE, LOOK AT BLIZZARD, the top PC devs make eveything streamlined, easy to use and polished for their customers. They do not milk them while distracting them only to put out a press release for the sequel. And their games sell BUCKETLOADS. Stop ignoring and then disgarding gaming communities and games. Battlefield is not a sports game due a yearly rehash.

    Will we be hearing about Battlefield 3, or maybe another expansion, LONG before most problems are fixed?
  • UnrealAlex

    #2
    Re: Optimizing Shaders.......zzzZZZZzz & more

    I think Blizzard should buy EA lol. I would be so happy....
    I think we should all call EA, EF instead of EA. Electronic Farts is what they are.

    But yea, I just turn on the Military channel while changing maps.

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    • I-AM-J3ST3R
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      • Jan 2007
      • 118

      #3
      Re: Optimizing Shaders.......zzzZZZZzz & more

      I feel your pain cadaverous.

      Something needs to be done right now so these problems are addressed.

      I remember when BF2 first came out it had lots of problems. DICE had to come back from a month long vacation just to fix them and the game still had problems!

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      • cadaverous

        #4
        Re: Optimizing Shaders.......zzzZZZZzz & more

        Originally posted by dR-Jester
        I feel your pain cadaverous.
        Well....it's not really pain :) I went to great lengths to cut back on whining and complaing, i used the delete button a lot :) It's still a fun game no matter what

        Great games attract b*tching, mediocre ones are forgotten about!

        Lets face it, every year hundreds of titles come out on PC, hundreds are really bad. A handfull are great, and maybe 1 or 2 are fantastic.

        Lets not BS, BF2 is fantastic. The in game engine itself (at least before S.F XPack) is very, very impressive, and runs great. It's the bits surrounding the core engine and gameplay where it all goes wrong.

        In terms of gameplay, it walks all over Counterstrike, but the interface is 10 steps backwards. The bugs and poor optimisation are a further 10. I chat to my friends in Counterstrike games all the time, I barely notice they are in the server in BF2...that's not right. It lacks so much polish and polish goes a long, long way these days, it makes games NICE to use, not unpleasant.

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        • ShadowWarrior18D

          #5
          Re: Optimizing Shaders.......zzzZZZZzz & more

          Originally posted by Al3x
          I think Blizzard should buy EA lol. I would be so happy....
          I think we should all call EA, EF instead of EA. Electronic Farts is what they are.

          But yea, I just turn on the Military channel while changing maps.

          Same here

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          • wazzup_wigga

            #6
            Re: Optimizing Shaders.......zzzZZZZzz & more

            Originally posted by dR-Jester
            I feel your pain cadaverous.

            Something needs to be done right now so these problems are addressed.

            I remember when BF2 first came out it had lots of problems. DICE had to come back from a month long vacation just to fix them and the game still had problems!
            you guys want something done e-mail me with ur name and e-mail address and ill start a patition for them to get their arses into gear and to make a patch to fix all these problems they have created, when i bought the game i though yes all the probs will be gone cause they can ctart from scratch but nope they have created dozens more than they finished with also doesnt anyone test the games first or is it just like install if the intro movie starts its working so they distribute its, this is comeplete ******** i have had trouble from day one i still cant even play online cause it crashes to desktop and i have never had this problem with the original one and on some maps when loading it just freezes and 60% whats with that, oh and another thing why is the expansion so laggy compared to the original i have a radeon 9550 256mb/128bit OC'ed to a 9600 and i could play bf2 on all medium settings with no problem this new expansion i have to have it on all low and have the resolution on 800x600 its all ******** i recon if anyone else wants to add problems or email some probs to me to follow up with ea give me a bell at adam-north@netspace.net.au

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            • Ringo*

              #7
              Re: Optimizing Shaders.......zzzZZZZzz & more

              holy sh1t- this is normal that it takes that long? lol- I thought my game was screwed up... I guess I really do have to wait 10 minutes... and with a 7800GT! grrr...

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              • chrisinsocalif

                #8
                Re: Optimizing Shaders.......zzzZZZZzz & more

                I don't need to replace the CD's for either game, i just made a CD image with CloneCD and just mount the ISO image as its own drive. I do this with all my games, some are a little tougher when it comes to the copy protection. I dont even need my cd/dvd's for installation anymore, since all my games ISO images are save on my network drive. My CD/DVD's are safely stashed away where nothing can harm them.

                need help making a backup copy or mounting game images?
                go here
                If you can't remember the last time you made a backup, it's time to make another! We'll walk you through the steps for various devices and softwares to make a backup.


                forgot to add....only make LEGAL backups of your games.

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